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Hi. I am having problems finding any info on the above.

Charles born about 1863, where I don't know.
He married Lottie Wood 15/6/1887 at Croydon
Father of William Frederick Warren

Can anyone find anything about his birth and parents please?

Gerry

His marriage cert will tell you his father’s name and occupation - if he knew him

Birth may not have been registered. No penalties until 1875

When and where was William born please?

Have you found the family on any censuses?

When and where was the son born?

Was Lottie his mother?

How did you find the exact marriage date for Charles and Lottie?

His birth ?:

WARREN, CHARLES ROBERT mms JENKINS
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 381

Just wondering about this birth same location as marriage ( just trying to place them on a census)

WARREN, WILLIAM HOLT WOOD
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 212

The OP says the son's second forename was Frederick

Charles Robert Warren
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Charles Robert Warren
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1863
Baptism Place: Saint John,Portsea,Hampshire,England
Father: George Warren
Mother: Maria
FHL Film Number: 918875, 918876


Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
Jenkins Maria I Wight 2b 729
Warren George I. Wight 2b 729

??

Charles Robert Warren
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charles Robert Warren
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 28
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 150

Parents' marriage again, showing fathers' names:

George Warren
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: George Warren
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1859
Marriage Place: Newchurch, Hampshire, England
Father: Robert Warren
Spouse: Maria Jenkins [ father: George Jenkins ]
FHL Film Number: 1470879
Reference ID: 2:3GDXHBS



Maria Warren
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Maria Warren
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Warren
Gender: Female
Where born: Isle of Wight, Ventnor
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 198
Piece: 636
Folio: 187
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
George Warren 25 - chimney sweep
Maria Warren 23
George J Warren 1
Edward Evans 23


Maria seems to have remarried:


George F Warren
in the 1871 England Census
View 1871 England Census
Name: George F Warren
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Mitcheldean Gloucestershire England
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 1132
Folio: 41
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lane 28
Maria Lane 33
George F Warren 11
William J Warren 9
Hubert E Warren 4


William Cole Lane
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Cole Lane
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Portsea Island
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 735
Records on Page:
Name
William Cole Lane
Maria Warren


But no sign of Charles with them in 1871 above.

There is a child with middle initial H if that is him ( and in the absence of any other info I am just exploring at this point) who was an inmate in 1901, a Lottie Warren who remarried in Hungary sometime bet 1891-1895...thinking acrobat, maybe circus travelling performers as I can't find them on census ??

Nothing for certain without OP giving more info.

Births of siblings on the 1871 census:

WARREN, HENRY JAMES mms JENKINS
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 424

WARREN, HUBERT EDWARD mms JENKINS
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 390

But if it is that Lottie she is back in England on 1911, Lewisham...just a possible for ref.

George Warren's death;

George Warren
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: George Warren
Death Date: 1 Jan 1866
Death Place: Southampton, England
Probate Date: 1866
Probate Registry: Principal Registry

Occupation: Chimney sweep.
Letters of administration to relict Maria.



WARREN, GEORGE 30
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 283

Name: William Frederick Warren
Event Type: Enterrement (Burial)
Death Date: 1922
Burial Date: 1922
Burial Place: Quebec (Quebec City), Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: Anglican Saint Mathew´s Church
Religion: Anglican
corporal in the R C S

William Fredrick Warren
Spouse: Violet Maud Govier
Father: Charles Robert Warren
Mother: Lottie Wood
Children: William Frederick
Birth: 1893 England
Death: 25/12/1922 Quebec Canada
Residence: 1 Jun 1921 Quebec City Quebec (Urban Agglomeration) Quebec Canada

Thanks Shirley

There is no William Frederick born 1893, mmn Wood on the GRO index ( which is why I was looking at William Holt Warren instead).

tree on ancestry has this
charles
Birth
abt 1864

1864

(AGE)
Marriage
15 June 1887 • The Registry Office,Croydon, Surrey

Address given as 2 Church Path, Croydon, Surrey
Lottie Wood

(1868–1951)

1887

23
Death
26 May 1892 • 89 Gloucester Road, Croydon, Surrey

lottie
Birth
01 Nov 1868 • Norwood, Surrey, England

1868

(AGE)
Baptism
20 Dec 1868 • Croydon, St James, Surrey, England

1868
Birth of Brother Albert Alfred Wood(1875–)
January 1875 • Croydon, Surrey, England

1875

6
Residence
1881 • Croydon, Surrey, England

Age 12, living with parents James (65) & Esther (39) and sibling Albert (6)

1881

13
Marriage
15 June 1887 • The Registry Office,Croydon, Surrey

Address given as 2 Church Path, Croydon, Surrey
Charles Robert Warren

(1864–1892)

1887

18
Death of Husband Charles Robert Warren(1864–1892)
26 May 1892 • 89 Gloucester Road, Croydon, Surrey

1892

23
Birth of Son William Fredrick Warren(1893–1922)
abt 1893 • England

1893

24
Death of Son William Fredrick Warren(1893–1922)
25 December 1922 • Quebec, Ontario, Canada

1922

54
Residence
1939 • Somerset, England

Marital Status: Married

1939

71
Marriage
16 Jan 1950 • Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, England
Cyril Eugene Nelson Cooke

(1874–1956)

1950

81
Death
02 Dec 1951 • 41 St James Street, Weston Super Mare



Name
Charles Robert Warren
Estimated Birth Year
abt 1864
Registration Year
1892
Registration Quarter
Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death
28
Registration district
Croydon
Parishes for this Registration District
Croydon
Inferred County
Surrey
Volume
2a
Page
150

1939


Name
Lottie Cooke
Gender
Female
Marital Status
Married
Birth Date
1 Nov 1868
Residence Year
1939
Address
41 St. James St.
Residence Place
Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, England
Occupation
Palmist
Schedule Number
170
Sub Schedule Number
1
Enumeration District
WOTF
Registration district
314/3
Household Members

NameAge
NameLottie Cooke
NameCyril Cooke

1939 register
Name: Lottie Cooke
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1868
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 41 St. James St.
Residence Place: Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, England
Occupation: Palmist
Schedule Number: 170
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: WOTF
Registration district: 314/3
Household Members:
Name
Lottie Cooke
Cyril Cooke

Name: Cyril Cooke
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1874
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 41 St. James St.
Residence Place: Weston-super-Mare, Somerset, England
Occupation: Unemployed (Circus Artist)
Schedule Number: 170
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: WOTF
Registration district: 314/3
Household Members:
Name

Lottie married as Hall


First name(s) CYRIL E N
Last name COOKE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1950
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

CYRIL E N COOKE married one of these people

Lottie Hall

So possible ...Lottie Warren married Murgatroyd in Hungary 1891 -1895 records FMP

Living in Lewisham in 1911 ( her husband John T Murgatroyd died 1911 Lewisham)

1911 Census For England & Wales
45 Dacre ST, Lewisham, London & Kent, England


Lottie Murgatroyd Head Married Male 42 1869 Keeper Of General Shop Norwood Surrey
Violet Murgatroyd Daughter Single Female 10 1901 School Athens Greece
Fred King Nephew Single Male 18 1893 Milkman Croydon Surrey


Marriages Mar 1927 (>99%)

Hall Thomas W Murgatroyd Manchester S. 8d 148
Murgatroyd Lottie Hall Manchester S. 8d 148

??