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AG

Yes i have the 1911 census Scotland which is correct

Thanks for the info for James Harrison which is i had no idea he existed only the 3 daughters

I've done some searching & can confirm he died 22 July 1916 age 4 informant James Young

Looks like the Harrison family in 1911 - do you have this?:

HARRISON
ELIZABETH
1911
F
27
574/ 2/ 24
Port Glasgow
Renfrew


HARRISON
ELIZABETH
1911
F
0
574/ 2/ 24
Port Glasgow
Renfrew


HARRISON
JOHN
1911
M
25
574/ 2/ 24
Port Glasgow
Renfrew


For helpers' reference - the daughter's birth:

SR District/Reg Area - Belfast
Birth of ELIZABETH HARRISON on 21 July 1910
Name ELIZABETH HARRISON
Date of Birth 21 July 1910
Group Registration ID 819987
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname DAVIDSON

Address: Whiteabbey.


Seems they returned to Ireland for the birth of their son:

SR District/Reg Area - Belfast
Birth of JAMES HARRISON on 22 September 1911
Name JAMES HARRISON
Date of Birth 22 September 1911
Group Registration ID 300262
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname DAVIDSON

Address: 144 Boverie Street, Port Glasgow. <<<<<<<<<<

James senior was presumably away from home, working, in 1871 and 1881.
The census only records who was at an address on the night of the census.


The whole family must have been back in Ireland by 1891 , so we won't find them on a census.

Lizzie/Elizabeth was born in Ireland c1885, per 1901 census.

For helpers' reference, in case it's important:
John Harrison belonged to Clydebank, or at least that was his place of residence, per the 1908 marriage cert.
Father: James Harrison, labourer

ErikaH asked earlier who the witnesses were -
James Elliott and Maggie Young (she made her mark).

According to the 1901 census, Maggie/Margaret could read, but not write.

Thanks AG

Still not sure about the Scotland Census but looks possible seems James no where to be seen after 1861 census &Isabella dob varies a lot

I wonder where they were in 1891

1901/1911 in Ireland ages vary again

Just to add -

we've posted the censuses for the Young family in 1871, 1881, 1901, and 1911..

Here they are also in 1861:

James Young
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: James Young
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Isabella Young
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration District: Greenock East
Civil Parish: Greenock East
County: Renfrewshire
Address: Stanners St 11
Occupation: Labourer Ship Yard
ED: 9
Household Schedule Number: 19
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1861_76
Household Members:
Name Age
James Young 33
Isabella Young 30 - Ireland
Mary Young 5 - Greenock
Sarah Young 3 - Greenock
Jas Young 7 Mo - Greenock



James Young
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: James Young
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 Sep 1860
Birth Place: Middle OR New Parish,Greenock,Renfrew,Scotland
Father: James Young
Mother: Isabella Mcfadyen
FHL Film Number: 6035516

Mary was born in Ayrshire, per 1871 census, and her baptism was posted earlier.
I can't find a baptism for Sarah, nor the birth of a Sarah Young in Greenock c1858.

AG
Mystery probably won't be solved
Thanks for your help

We're not doubting that.

Just can't find a reason for it!

ErikaH & AG

The info already given is correct
Davidson/Davison is given as MMN for Elizabeth children which i found on irish genealogy site thats the mystery regarding the surname

I tried looking for Davidson births a few days ago, but can't find any with mms McFadden or variation.

Nor any marriage of James Young and Isabella.

Maybe she wasn't 'Young' at birth.......................'Davidson' must have come from somewhere

Not that birth, Erika - unless all the info we think we've found for the rest of the family is wrong..

Details from image:

Born 24 April 1884 at 12 Weir Street.
Father: Edward Young, bricklayer
Mother: Lizzie Young, nee Savage.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/


Name LIZZIE YOUNG
Date of Birth 1884
Group Registration ID 8410765
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R
Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained via the following link.

ErikaH & AG

Apologies for late reply

Thanks for all your input
Still havent found a marriage for James Young/Isabella Mcfadden OR a birth for Elizabeth

Any more suggestions

"According to her MC she was Elizabeth Davidson Young but on her childrens BC
MMN Davidson"

So was her father named as James Young or James Davidson?
Or just James with no surname?

Was she a spinster?

EDIT:

I've just looked it up.

Yes, she was a spinster, and her father was James Young, labourer.
Her address at marriage was Whiteabbey, so that must be the correct family in 1911.

LIZZIE - not Elizabeth

Party 1 Name JOHN HARRISON
Party 2 Name LIZZIE YOUNG
Date of Event 27 June 1908
Group Registration ID 1997840
SR District/Reg Area Belfast


From familysearch
Name:
Lizzie Davidson Young
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
Apr - Jun 1908
Event Place:
Belfast, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year:
Apr - Jun 1908
Registration District:
Belfast
Volume Number:
1
\Who witnessed the marriage?

When and where did she marry?

Unfortunately, without her birth cert, you don't have 'full' info on her.

AG

Unfortunately i dont have her full dob or mothers name
I have her MC to John Harrison and the births of 3 children they had

According to her MC she was Elizabeth Davidson Young but on her childrens BC
MMN Davidson

So a bit confusing

According to 1911, Isabella was also born Antrim

Young James 67 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Antrim Garden General Labour Read writ - Married - - - -
Young Isabella 67 Female Wife Presbyterian Antrim - Read writ - Married - 47 4 4
Young Maggie 44 Female Daughter Presbyterian Antrim Linen Waver Read - Single - - - -
Harrison Maggie 1 Female Boarder Presbyterian Antrim - Cannot read -


Ditto 1901

Young Margreat 30 Female Daughter Presbyterian Antrim Linen Waver Read - Not Married -
Young Lizzie 16 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Antrim Linen Waver Read and write - Not Married -
Young James 55 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Antrim Garden Labourer Read and write - Married -
Young Isabella 54 Female Wife Presbyterian Antrim - Read and write - Married

For our reference - 1911 for the 1901 family:

James Young
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: James Young
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Age: 67
Birth Year: abt 1844
Birth Place: Antrim
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
House Number: 19
Townland/Street: White Abbey
District: White Abbey
County: Antrim
Country: Ireland
Electoral District: White Abbey
Literacy: Read writ
Occupation: Garden General Labour
Religion: Presbyterian
Relationship: Head
Name Age
Maggie Harrison 1 - boarder
James Young 67
Isabella Young 67
Maggie Young 44 - daughter, linen weaver.

You say you have all the info on Elizabeth.

Is her mother Isabella McFadyean/McFadzean/McFadden ?