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From ANCESTRY....where you have a tree!
Name Edith May Colclough
Birth Date 14 Aug 1912
Relation to Soldier Child
Title WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description Other Ranks Died Chambers Ja-Channings Wh
Next of Kin (Name) Relation to Soldier
Thomas Chambers
A Chambers
Widow
Ann Jane Colclough
Child
Edith May Colclough Child
Thomas Chambers
Child
Jem Chambers*********James
Child
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Hopefully this is useful.....
UK, WWI, Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923
Full Name Chambers, Thomas
Service Number 29129
Rank Pte
Regiment 8th North Staffs
Relative 1
Chambers, A
Relative Residence Address Stoke-on-Trent Staffs
Relative 1 Relation To Head Widow
Relative 1 Birth Date 1 Apr 1881
He attested August 1 1916 in Lichfield aged 36 years 2 months
NOK Ann, 8 Peel Street, Stoke on Trent
Home - 6/2/1915 - 8/12/1916
Relative 2
Colclough, Ann Jane
Relative 2 Relation to Head Child
Relative 2 Birth Date 10 Aug 1905
Relative 3
Colclough, Edith may
Relative 3 Relation to Head Children
Relative 3 Birth Date 14 Aug 1912
Relative 4 Chambers, Thomas
Relative 3 Relation to Head Children
Relative 4 Birth Date 29 Dec 1915
Relative 5 Chambers, Jem
Relative 5 Relation to Head Children
Relative 5 Birth Date 12 Dec 1918
1914 - 1926
Reference Number 042/0168/CHA-CHA
Document Number 6/APW/352
Archive Location London, England
Archive Name Western Front Association
Conflict Period World War I
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Extract from War Diary 8th Battalion, North Staffordshire Regiment,
29 May- Field- Bn (Battalion) arrived at farm N of Chambrecy about 12 noon. Received
instructions to take up positions on ridge N of Mery-Premacy. Situation very
quiet during the night.
30 May- The enemy attacked and we had to fall back slightly. The following officers
were wounded........
No mention of any OR (other ranks) killed or wounded.
According to the CWGC (Commonweath War Graves Commission) Thomas is buried or commemorated at
SOISSONS MEMORIAL, France
The UK, British Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 register lists Thomas as
"Death Presumed" which means ,name on a memorial and no known grave.
and from the book
History of the 8th North Staffords [1921, British Army] by F Crewe
"At midnight on the 28th of May a fleet of French lorries arrive, we are “embussed,” and we depart for “Goodness knows where!” All night long we travel, with only occasional stops when blocks occur on the road, and daylight reveals the fact that we are travelling in the direction of EPERNAY. We try to appreciate the situation. The enemy has broken through near RHEIMS or SOISSONS we guess. As the morning progresses we meet lots of French civilians escaping to the rear with their worldly possessions on their backs, or on waggons and carts of all sorts, piled up with bedding, with the inevitable old woman and young child surmounting the lot. Occasionally we pass a lorry in the ditch by the roadside, which tells a story of a driver caught snatching forty winks. Later in the morning we pass through EPERNAY, and leaving the road to RHEIMS on our right we pass through the forest of RHEIMS, and eventually halt near CHAMBRECY about 12 noon, where we “ de-bus,” and after a few hasty verbal instructions we take up position on the ridge near by. As the day progresses intelligence regarding the situation is obtained, and a serious gap in the line is located and filled, and the best strategic positions taken up.
We did not become seriously engaged with the enemy on the 29th, although we were in close touch with him. We were attacked on the moming of the 30th on our front and flanks, which were both entirely uncovered, and under the weight of numbers were compelled to give ground slightly, not, however, without inflicting severe loss on the enemy.. Our own losses were also severe, and included five Officers wounded, one of whom was the Commanding Officer Lt.-Colonel Dakeyne, D.S.O. The loss of the C.O. was a severe blow, but with Major Martin available to take command the loss was greatly neutralised. Operations during the next few days took the form of artillery duels, during which a fair number of casualties were incurred, including 2nd Lieuts. Brockhurst and Newham, wounded. This was the situation on the 6th when the enemy made a determined attack on our position, which is described by an eye-witness, one of the few surviving Officers, of the battle."
2 separate extracts- a War Diary and a book, professing "our own losses were also severe", but both writers still had the time to NOT mention how many Other Ranks were killed or injured !!
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Re Thomas Gratton -
you definitely need the marriage cert, for his father's name.
Even though the 1939 Register gives his DOB as 7 Dec 1901, the Register isn't always correct.
The only birth registration of a Thomas Gratton in England or Wales which fits with that DOB is this one below - BUT that's NOT him. That man lived, married, and died in Cheshire.
I'm only posting it to let you know that he's NOT Edith's husband!
GRATTON, THOMAS ENOCH mmn DWYER
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 506
There is also no death in England or Wales for a Thomas Gratton (or Grattan) born in 1901-2
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Your Ancestry tree has WRONG info..................
You've used the record below, :-S :-S :-S :-S :-S
..........don't know why you thought it was YOUR man
Deaths 1991 (52%)
GRATTON GRAHAM 11MY1960 EAST STAFFS 30 558
This is the CORRECT record................
GRATTON, GRAHAM THOMAS 1943
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2021 in STAFFORDSHIRE (738-1A) Entry Number 521763728
Helpful, I hope………………..
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For INFO
Births Dec 1918 (>99%)
Chambers James Colclough Stoke T. 6b 337
Deaths Dec 1919 (>99%)
Chambers James 1 Stoke T. 6b 242
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Morning,
How is everybody.
I have been looking at Edith May Colclough 14th August 1912-1980
l think she married
Thomas Chilton Gratton 1937-1967 following him on the cenes is parents are
Thomas Edwin Gratton 1885
Mary Ellen Ryles 1884
I am going to order there marriage certificate to just double check l have the right parents.
thanks
Amanda
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Any thoughts on the info I posted at 15.37 yesterday?
Thomas C Gratton married HARVEY in Leek in 1937. He is in LEEK in 1939. He was born in 1910 and died in 1967. He was NOT Colclough’s husband
When you get the CORRECT 1937 marriage certificate, you will - hopefully - know who Thomas Gratton's father was
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Erikah
Thank you for the information, l must of mad a typo on my tree.
I will buy Edith and Thomas marriage cert.
We defo know she married Thomas Gratton in 1937
we also know that
Graham Thomas 1943
Lillian 1943 were her children
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Now I can C&P.......proving my info
GRATTON, THOMAS CHILTON RYLES
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in LEEK Volume 06B Page 295
Marriages Sep 1937 (>99%)
GRATTON Thomas C Harvey Leek 6b 931
Harvey Frances M Gratton Leek 6b 931
1939 Register
Leek Road, Endon, Leek R.D., Staffordshire, England
Thomas C Gratton 16 Oct 1910 Male Gardener Private Widowed 259 1
Frances Mary Beswick (Gratton) 20 Jan 1912 Female Dress Designer Married 259 2
One closed record...........and Frances re-married in 1984
Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%)
GRATTON THOMAS C 57 STOKE/T 9B 509
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Let us know whether Thomas named a father - and how old he said he was on his wedding day.........plus father's occupation
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Have any of you done the Ancestry DNA test ?
If so is it any good.
thanks
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Absolutely no interest in doing so....................
Some people on here have, I know. Understanding the complexity of the results seems to be something of a minefield.
If you know for certain who your parents were, I'm not sure what benefit you would find in taking it. By definition, DNA gives results relating to the person tested.
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Re the DNA test - it depends on what you are hoping to find and whether you have the ability to work through the clues you get,
Like any family history research you’ve got to be prepared to do the work.
It won’t, for instance, tell you who your parents are unless they have tested. It won’t tell you whether your matches are from your father or mother’s side,it is up to you to work it out. So if no relation you know has tested it can be difficult to sort out which side you are looking at, unless one parent has a unique profile.
BEWARE - you find out things you would rather not have known.
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Hi,
I am thinking of doing a DNA test, I would like to find out about my father side of the family. It like he magicked out of the sky one day.
My dad mum said of the family is a mystery. My dad would never speak about is family. I asked my sister if she remembers anything and she told me the same. Dad would never speak about is family.
I was hoping that the DNA test might solve to issues.
The only person of my dad family l know was is older sister. The Knox side l have found lots of thigs, but the Colclough side.........
Would the DNA test help with this
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It might lead you somewhere but it looks as though you would have to put in some hard work yourself but might end up no further forward,
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It'll be easier to get Thomas and Edith's marriage cert , at least for a start, to find out his age and his father's details.
If that doesn't lead anywhere, then maybe think again about DNA - but that seems as if it wouldn't be very helpful in the circumstances.
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A DNA test taken by Amanda would have no bearing on Thomas and Edith.
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Why? The DNA could possibly prove it one way or another.
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Edith's sister..................OP's grandmother, Thomas Gratton has no biological connection
Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
Colclough Annie J Knox Stoke T. 6b 397
Knox Bert Colclough Stoke T. 6b 397
Her children..................
Births Mar 1933 (>99%)
Knox Sylvia A Colclough Stoke T 6b 253
Births Mar 1935 (>99%)
Knox Eileen M Colclough Stoke T. 6b 316
Births Jun 1938 (>99%)
Knox Thomas Colclough Stoke 6b 328
OP's father did not 'magic out of the sky'
1939 Register
17 Thomas Street, Stoke-On-Trent, Stoke-On-Trent C.B., Staffordshire, England
Bert Knox 20 Sep 1905 Male Potters Glost Placer Married 330 1
Annie Knox 10 Aug 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 330 2
Sylvia (A) Hemmings (Knox) 29 Dec 1932 Female At School Single 330 3
?illen (M) Lambert (Knox) 13 Jan 1935 Female At School Single 330 4
Thomas Knox 22 Mar 1938 Male Under School Age Single 330 5
The unknown quantity here is Annie's father...........and Edith's, who are not necessarily one and the same - when one takes into account the seven year difference in their ages. Their mother's line is easily followed
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Are you in contact with the other 3 GR members who have your father in their trees on here?
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