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Link to the GRO site..........

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

I agree with Alviegal in having doubts about the 1944 death - the man's age is several years "out" from what your grandfather's would have been, Kathleen, although as already said, it all depends on what the informant believed to be true.

Are you certain about Frederick G's death in 1944? Apologies if you are but if not I think it is more likely to be this man. In 1939 his birth date is 23 Feb 1878.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hall Road Spring Lane, Heybridge, Maldon, Essex, England

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Eliza Ward Head
Widow Female 64 1837 - Cliffe, Kent, England
Charles S Ward Son
Single Male 31 1870 Carman cement wks Chappel, Essex, England
Grace M Ward Daughter
Single Female 23 1878 Dressmaker Chappel, Essex, England
>>Frederick G Ward Son
Single Male 22 1879 Ord agl laborer Chappel, Essex, England
Christine O Ward Daughter
Single Female 19 1882 Shop asst drapery Heybridge, Essex, England

Son emigrated to US

Frederick Peter Ward

in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007


Name Frederick Peter Ward [Frederick Ward]
Gender Male
Race White
Birth Date 2 Oct 1920
Birth Place Bromley Kent, United Kingdom
Death Date Apr 1983
Father
Frederick G Ward
Mother
Dorothy L Morgan
SSN 128286506
Notes Apr 1953: Name listed as FREDERICK PETER WARD; 28 Dec 1987: Name listed as FREDERICK WARD


Name Frederick Ward
Social Security Number 128-28-6506
Birth Date 2 Oct 1920
Issue year 1953-1954
Issue State New York
Last Benefit 92633, Fullerton, Orange, California, USA
Death Date Apr 1983

Frederich George Ward
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 11 Oct 1885
Baptism Place All Saints, Highgate: Church Road, Haringey, Haringey, England
Father
Thomas Hardy Ward
Mother
Ellen Matilda Ward

At the side has been written At St Augustines. His father was an engineer? of 4 Bisham Gardens.

The Wards' address in 1901

4, Blandford Road Melrose Terrace, Beckenham, Bromley, Kent, England

and the Morgans'

1, Blandford Road Highclere Terrace, Beckenham, Bromley, Kent, England

Name Dorothy Louise Morgan
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 3 Jun 1894
Baptism Place Whitminster, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears Whitminster
Father
Henry Morgan
Mother
Bessie Blair Morgan

Baptized with sister Gladys. Father was a hotel keeper.


and here's the 1911 for Dorothy. They did travel about quite a bit! Pretty sure Bessie Florence is their sister so they should be described as sister in laws not nieces to Ambrose.



Dorothy Morgan in 1911
1911 Census For England & Wales
36 Herbert Street Aberdare, Aberdare, Glamorganshire, Wales
View original record
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ambrose Thomas Head
Married Male 32 1879 Grocer Glamorgan Mardy
Bessie Florence Thomas Wife
Married Female 27 1884 - Lancashire Blackpool
Ronald Wills Thomas Son
- Male 0 1911 - Glamorgan Aberdare
Dorothy Morgan Niece
Single Female 16 1895 - Gloucestershire Whitminster
Nellie Morgan Niece
Single Female 29 1882 - Leicestershire


Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
MORGAN Bessie Florence Lewisham 1d 1849
THOMAS Ambrose Lewisham 1d 1849

alviegal and I seem to be following the same lines. I'll leave this for the purpose of the notes **
Dorothy 1901 -** note Mother is Bessie B (Witness Dorothy's marriage? and **sister Nellie a Photographers assistant (Father's occupation as per Dorothy's marriage)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Blandford Road Highclere Terrace, Beckenham, Bromley, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Bessie B Morgan Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Bodmin, Cornwall, England
Nellie W Morgan Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Photographer's assistant Leicestershire, England
Bessie F Morgan Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Cashier (grocer's) Blackpool, Lancashire, England
Charles H Morgan Son Single Male 13 1888 - Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Gladys M Morgan Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Dorothy L Morgan Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Whitminster, Gloucestershire, England

Dorothy's family.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
9, Linden Road, South Hamlet, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Morgan Head
Married Male 37 1854 Photographer Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Bessie B Morgan Wife
Married Female 35 1856 - Bodmin, Cornwall, England
Nellie W Morgan Daughter
Single Female 9 1882 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Rose B Morgan Daughter
Single Female 5 1886 - Cardiff
Charles H Morgan Son
Single Male 3 1888 - Cardiff



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Blandford Road Highclere Terrace, Beckenham, Bromley, Kent, England

Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Bessie B Morgan Wife
Married Female 44 1857 - Bodmin, Cornwall, England
Nellie W Morgan Daughter
Single Female 19 1882 Photographer's assistant Leicestershire, England
Bessie F Morgan Daughter
Single Female 17 1884 Cashier (grocer's) Blackpool, Lancashire, England
Charles H Morgan Son
Single Male 13 1888 - Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Gladys M Morgan Daughter
Single Female 8 1893 - Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Dorothy L Morgan Daughter
Single Female 6 1895 - Whitminster, Gloucestershire, England



1911 Census For England & Wales
Lower Green Sandhurst Kent, Sandhurst, Kent, England
View original record
Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Morgan Head
Married Male 59 1852 Photographic artist Merthyr S Wales
Bessie Blair Morgan Head
Married Male 59 1852 - Bodmin Cornwall
Charles Henry Morgan Son
Single Male 23 1888 Furnishing salesman Cardiff S Wales

The 1939 register entries as posted by alviegal were ones I'd also noted, but was busy posting the Army records.

The DOB for Frederick does match that in his Army records and Dorothy's would fit an age of 27y 2m in 1921.

Could this therefore be Dorothy's Death registration-

Deaths Dec 1971 (>99%)
WARD Dorothy Louise 1My1894 Hastings 5h 1133

albeit a year out from a possible birth reg. - NO, see EDIT

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MORGAN, DOROTHY LOUISE DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 697

EDIT - this birth reg. not on freebmd but is on the GRO site and would fit Dorothy's place of birth as Whitminster, Glos.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MORGAN, DOROTHY LOUISE WILLS
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in WHEATENHURST Volume 06A Page 289

So parents marriage -
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)

MORGAN Henry Barton R. 6a 201
WILLS Bessie Blair Barton R. 6a 201

Army records show DOB as 31.8.1885. (Further to Army record posted earlier)

from original - Attested 8.12.15 and placed on Reserve until 18..6.16, before 4 months Home and then mobilised to BEF (British Expeditionary Force) 19.10.16 to 8.4.17 before Home until 25.3.18. Service No. 6187. Remained a Private.

Apparent age on attestation 30 y 3 m. He was 5'71/2" tall, chest girth fully expanded 37", with a 2" expansion

Awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal

Notes in documents from Territorial Force Association of the County of London, Left wing, Centre Staircase (1st floor), Duke of York's Headquarters, Chelsea SW to Officer i/c Records, 4 London Wall buildings, EC 23rd County of London re Pte Ward FG

No. 6187. Second no. 73621. also 703512


- "Kindly note the wife of the above man was removed from -

8.11.1917 - ....... 15 Brooklyn Road, Seaford, Sussex to 34 Brunswick Road, Shoreham by Sea

25.12.1917 - ...... 34 Brunswick Road, Shoreham by Sea to 10 Regent Row, Western Road, Brighton

29.1.1918 - ...... 3H (or 34)Brunswick Road, Shoreham by Sea, Sussex to 173 Queens Road, Peckham, London SE 15

another not dated and very faded .... 4 Heathcote Villas, Heathcote Road, Epsom to 173 Queens Road, Peckham

Not dated - ....8 Paternoster Road, Winchester to 173 Queens Road, Peckham

Discharged under KR's para 392 XV1 - no longer physically fit for war service on 25.3.1918 with weekly pension of 27/6 for 4 weeks, then 13/9 to be reviewed in 48 weeks.

Is this Dorothy?

1939 Register
23 Gensing Road, Hastings, Hastings C.B., Sussex, England
1939 register badge

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Dorothy L Ward 01 May 1894 Female Cook Married 48 1

The record for this person is officially closed.



Deaths Dec 1971 (>99%)
WARD Dorothy Louise 1My1894 Hastings 5h 1133

!939 Register?

First name(s) Frederick G
County London
Last name(s) Ward
Country England
Birth date >>31 Aug 1885<<
E. D. letter code AJPK
Birth day 31
Schedule 1
Birth month 8
Schedule sub number 72
Birth year 1885
Archive reference RG101/0232D/004/28
Sex Male
Piece number 0232D
Institutional role Visitor
Item number 4
Marital status Married
Line number 28
Occupation Kitchen Cook Retired
Record set 1939 Register
Address Rowton House, Hammersmith, Hammersmith And Fulham
Category Census, land & surveys
Place Hammersmith
Subcategory Census
Borough / district Hammersmith
Collections from Great Britain, England, Wales


Rowton Houses was a chain of hostels built in London, England, by the Victorian philanthropist Lord Rowton to provide decent accommodation for working men in place of the squalid lodging houses of the time.

George Orwell, in his 1933 book Down and Out in Paris and London, wrote about lodging houses:

The best are the Rowton Houses, where the charge is a shilling, for which you get a cubicle to yourself, and the use of excellent bathrooms. You can also pay half a crown for a 'special', which is practically hotel accommodation. The Rowton Houses are splendid buildings, and the only objection to them is the strict discipline, with rules against cooking, card playing, etc.[1]



From wikipedia

His Military Short Service Attestation has a page that is essentially the same as the first page except it has Camberwell 31/08/1885 written in the top left hand corner. Could this be his date of birth. It is 5 pages in. ArgyllGran has already put this up.


First name(s) Frederick George
Residence country England
Last name Ward
Series WO 363
Birth year 1886
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Age 30
Archive The National Archives
Year 1916
Record set British Army Service Records
Service number 6187
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment London Regiment
Subcategory First World War
Unit / Battalion 21st (Reserve) Battalion

Banns -

Kent Marriages And Banns
Sandhurst, St Nicholas, Kent, England

First name(s) Frederick George
Last name Ward
Banns year 1915
Banns date 28 Nov 1915
Marriage year 1915
Marital status Bachelor
Marriage place Sandhurst, St Nicholas
Spouse's first name(s) Dorothy Louisa
Spouse's last name Morgan
Spouse's condition Spinster
County Kent
Country England
Archive Kent History & Library Centre
Archive reference P321/1/C/3
Register type Banns
Year range 1910-1923
Page 12
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

From original
Frederick of Nunhead, London
Dorothy - OTP (of this parish)
Banns read Nov. 28th, Dec 5 and 12th 1915

Cert. on FMP

Kent Marriages And Banns
Sandhurst, St Nicholas, Kent, England

First name(s) Frederick George
Last name Ward
Birth year 1885
Age 30
Marriage year 1915
Marriage date 14 Dec 1915
Marital status Bachelor
Occupation Mason
Marriage place Sandhurst, St Nicholas
Spouse's first name(s) Dorothy Louise
Spouse's last name Morgan
Spouse's birth year 1894
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's condition Spinster
Father's first name(s) Thomas Hardy
Father's last name Ward
Father's occupation Mason
Spouse's Father First name Henry
Spouse's Father surname Morgan
Spouse's father's occupation Photographic Artest Retired
Licence or banns Banns
First witness Thomas Ward
Second witness Edward James Mastin
Third witness Bestin Blair Morgan
County Kent
Country England
Archive Kent History & Library Centre
Archive reference P321/1/D/3
Register type Marriages
Year range 1901-1919
Page 42
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain


From original - Both signed
FRederick of 119 Linden Grove, Nunhead
Dorothy of Lower Green, Sandhurst
Witnesses - original shows 3rd witness as Bessie Blair Morgan

Kathleen

You wrote:

"He married my grandmother Dorothy Morgan in Cranbrook in 1915. Would the marriage certificate have information such as his DOB?"

No, marriage certs do not include date of birth..........they do have the names of the fathers of the bride and groom, plus their occupations..............IF the info is known.

This is the birth of the Frederick in the 1891 census posted above by Safc:

WARD, FREDERICK GEORGE mmn JOLLIFFE
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 127

That's too early to be Kathleen's grandfather.
He (K's grandfather) was 35 years 10 months on 19 June 1921 (census date), therefore born about August/Sept 1885.
He was 30 years 3 months on 8/12/1915, again making his birth approx Sept 1885.

????


Frederick G Ward
Sex: Male
Principal
England and Wales, Census, 1891
Census 1891
Kensington, London, England, United Kingdom
Birth 1885
London, England
Age 6
Relationship to Head Son
Parents Alfred G R Ward, Sarah J Ward
Siblings Ethel J Ward, Edgar F Ward
Frederick G Ward
Sex: Male
Principal
England and Wales, Census, 1901
Census 31 Mar 1901
Kensington, London, England, United Kingdom
Birth 1885
Notting Hill, London
Occupation Errand Boy
Age 16
Relationship to Head Son
Parent Alfred Ward
Siblings Edgar F Ward, Ethel J Ward, Agnes E Ward, Bertie H Ward, Percie H Ward

Frederick George Ward
Sex: Male
Principal
England and Wales, Census, 1911
Census 1911
Lewisham, London, England, United Kingdom
Birth 1886
London Highgate, London
Marital Status Single
Occupation MONUMENTAL MASON
Age 25
Relationship to Head Boarder