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On the GRO site, there are 3 illegitimate births for John Edward Jones in 1875 +/- 1yr.
You can download PDF’s of certs for mother’s name……….if you think she would actually have registered his birth. Until 1875, there were no penalties for not doing so.
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Something for me to check out tomorrow, thanks for that
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First name(s) John Edward
Place Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd
Last name Jones
County Denbighshire
Birth year 1875
Country Wales
Birth date ? ? 1875
Page 84
Baptism year 1875
Record set Denbighshire Baptisms
Baptism date 26 Jan 1875
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) -
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Collections from Wales, Great Britain
Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
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Now fmp is up and running, here is the 1921.
1921 Census Of England & Wales
23, Cardinal Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
John E Jones Head
Male 1871 49 Carnarvon, Wales Plate Moulder As A Lees, Cotton Mach Mkrs
E Jones Wife
Male 1902 18 Ireland - -
John E Jones Son
Male 1902 18 Oldham, Lancashire, England Plate Moulder As A Lees, Cotton Mach Mkrs
Arthur Jones Son
Male 1907 14 Oldham, Lancashire, England Precer Cotton Male Greenasing Mill, Cotton Sprp
Rase Jones Daughter
Female 1909 11 Oldham, Lancashire, England - -
Leonard Jones Son
Male 1914 7 Oldham, Lancashire, England - -
Norman Jones Son
Male 1915 5 Oldham, Lancashire, England - -
His wife is 46yrs 8 months old and female so will put in corrections.
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This the family with things changed again,
John e Jones was born 1874/5
Elizabeth who was really Mary was born 1876 in kilbeggan, Ireland, I have a copy of her birth cert,
Never going to get any further with this but thank you for replying ,
Mary still lived on cardinal st when she died in 1960
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Nothing to do with your query, and I know you said you didn't want any pre-1921 info - but just because I came across it -
The daughter May, whom you mentioned - 1899, not 1898:
JONES, MAY mmn CROPPER
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 665
Is this her death?
JONES, MAY 0
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 08A Page 275
You haven't mentioned a daughter Florence - did you know about her?
(You've done such a lot of research that I expect you do, though you didn't mention her.)
JONES, FLORENCE mmn CROPPER
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 08A Page 359
Florence Jones
in the Cheshire, England, Select Bishop's Transcripts, 1576-1933
Name Florence Jones
Gender Female
Baptism Date 03 Oct 1900
Baptism Place Coppenhall, Cheshire, England
Father John Edward Jones
Mother Elizabeth Hannah Jones
FHL Film Number 1655597
Address: 73 Peel Street, Coppenhall.
[ADDED: A family called Youde are at that address in 1901.]
Below:
Florence in 1901 with (presumably) her mother, and aunt Jane and family:
[Ancestry's transcription splits this household into two separate ones, but I've put them together here.]
Florence Jones
in the 1901 England Census
Name Florence Jones
Age 8/12
Estimated Birth Year abt 1900
Relation to Head Visitor
Gender Female
Birth Place Crewe, Cheshire, England
Civil parish Rochdale
Search Photos
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Ecclesiastical parish Spotland St Clement
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration District Rochdale
Sub-registration district Spotland Further Side
ED, institution, or vessel 4
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 3838
Folio 61
Page number 5
Household schedule number 34
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Grindrod 41 Head
Jane Grindrod 40 Wife [nee Cropper]
Elizabeth A Grindrod 18 Daughter
Edmund Grindrod 17 Son
Mary J Marcas [Mercer] 30 Head [whole line scored out]
Florence Marcas 13 Daughter [ mistranscription - should be Grindrod ]
Richard Cropper 45 Visitor
Elizabeth A Jones 31 Visitor
Florence Jones 8/12 Visitor
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Argyllgran, yes I have this info , this is John Edward with his wife Elizabeth, it is may the daughter who died as a infant and then they had florence, from what I can gather Elizabeth moved to rochdale's with florence and was living there with her sister and family,
John must have then moved back to oldham were he then began a relationship with Mary and had their children, Mary used Elizabeth's name to pass herself off as John's wife,
John & Mary stayed together until his death in 1927 she stayed in the same house until her death
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