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Greyghost I'm ordering their death certificates and Nancy's marriage cert when I get paid in 2weeks time

Come back to this thread Jamie when you have them (don't start another) and we'll see if there is anything more to help, but in the meantimes when and where did they die, even that may yield a clue.

I've had a reply (that was quick) from Scotland's People about the birth certificate. They sent me the correct certificate, but in a format that I can't open unfortunately.
The attachment arrived as - Saveimage (4). jfif. Have asked if they can send in any other format, but no reply as yet and their online link hasn't been updated. Will keep trying so don't waste credits on that.

In 1921, Andrew Ferrol born 1881 in Dumfries, is MARRIED

The assumption will have to be that Elizabeth took up with Stirling and started having children with him, having left behind her Ferrol offspring.

As well as Nancy's birth being shown with surname Stirling, and mmn Gunton, in New Cumnock, it's also listed as Nancy Ferrol, with Stirling as a middle name, with no mmn shown, a different reference number, and in Linlithgow:

FERROL
NANCY STIRLING
F
1921
668 / 79
Linlithgow

Greyghost elizabeth stirling died 1958 whitchurch bristol and william in 1960 whitchurch bristol, if I remember correctly they both died in 4 St nicholas road at home

I've used credits to look at Nancy's birth cert (the Linlithgow one).

Nancy Stirling Gunton or Ferrol, born at 12.30am, on 27 April 1921, at 24 Low Port, Linlithgow.

Father not named - which is interesting, possibly supporting my thought that Elizabeth didn't know who the child's father was. Certainly Andrew Ferrol wasn't.

Mother: "Elizabeth Gunton or Ferrol, millworker, wife of Andrew Ferrol, carter, to whom she was married on 15/2/1902 at Hexham, England."

Informant: Elizabeth G Ferrol, mother.

Registered at Linlithgow on 1 May 1921.

There's a note in the left-hand margin - or two notes, as they're in different handwriting:

RCE 39/1981/WL
RCE 46/1981/WL

RCE is Register of Corrected Entries.

As the other registration, in New Cumnock (60-plus miles away from Linlithgow) gives Nancy's surname as Stirling, I expect it 's a re-registration or correction, possibly naming William as her father.

" If you order an official copy of a statutory birth or death record with an RCE it will be supplied with any corrections or insertions applied. Digital images of statutory birth records and RCEs that you can view on this website are as the original register pages."
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/help-and-support/guides/registering-illegitimate-births

Haven't forgotten about the other certificate, will chase on Monday.

Name Nancy Ferrol
Gender
[Female]
Age 2 Months
Relation to Head Great-niece (Great Niece)
[Niece]
Orphanhood Both Parents Alive
Estimated Birth Year 1921
Birth Place Scotland
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 9 Brough Building, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Residence Place Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Inhabited Y
Ward Byker
Parliamentary Division Newcastle Upon Tyne Pb, East Div.
Registration District Newcastle Upon Tyne
Registration District Number 558
Sub registration district Byker
Sub Registration District Number 6
Respondent S Embleton
Enumeration District Name Newcastle Upon Tyne Cb
Enumeration District 7
Schedule 405
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Stephen Embleton
40
Head
Dina Embleton
42
Wife
Stephen Embleton
13
Son
Benjamin Embleton
16
Son
Albert Embleton
13
Son
James Embleton
9
Son
Mary Jane Embleton
7
Daughter
Abel Embleton
1 Year 8 Months
Son
Elizabeth Ferrol
37
Sister
Nancy Ferrol 2 Months Great-niece (Great Niece)
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Name Nancy Ferrol
Gender
[Female]
Age 2 Months
Relation to Head Great-niece (Great Niece)
[Niece]
Orphanhood Both Parents Alive
Estimated Birth Year 1921
Birth Place Scotland
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 9 Brough Building, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Residence Place Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Inhabited Y
Ward Byker
Parliamentary Division Newcastle Upon Tyne Pb, East Div.
Registration District Newcastle Upon Tyne
Registration District Number 558
Sub registration district Byker
Sub Registration District Number 6
Respondent S Embleton
Enumeration District Name Newcastle Upon Tyne Cb
Enumeration District 7
Schedule 405
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Stephen Embleton
40
Head
Dina Embleton
42
Wife
Stephen Embleton
13
Son
Benjamin Embleton
16
Son
Albert Embleton
13
Son
James Embleton
9
Son
Mary Jane Embleton
7
Daughter
Abel Embleton
1 Year 8 Months
Son
Elizabeth Ferrol
37
Sister
Nancy Ferrol 2 Months Great-niece (Great Niece)
Save.



Nancy
Ferrol
1921
>> Birth Place--- Linlithgow -Scotland.<<

Newcastle upon Tyne
Newcastle upon Tyne
Northumberland

Marriages Sep 1900.

**Gunton Dinah** Newcastle T. 10b 285

married Stephen Embleton.

1902
Gunton Elizabeth Hexham 10b 522.

married Andrew Ferrol.

matches info on 1921 census.

Thanks so much for the information

OK, so after lots of to-ing and fro-ing with SP because I couldn't open the attachments in the form they had sent them, I have at last received explanation and associated forms.

Firstly, they said that the New Cumnock registration is a link error. Correct entry located and image sent - arrived as the Linlithgow registration.

When I said it was not what I wanted the reply said there is no New Cumnock entry so the Linlithgow one was correct BUT they had noticed 2 RCE pages with the entry and these reflect changes made in later years.

If you look at the info that ArgyllGran posted on 10th May at 1646 -

The first RCE basically says -

Column 1 - Change name from Nancy Stirling Gunton or Ferrol to Nancy Stirling Ferrol and
Column 4 - substitute Elizabeth Gunton or Ferrol, Millworker
(nothing about wife of and when married)

the second RCE says -
Column 1 - new name and surname Nancy Stirling

I'll attempt to send the documents by PM so check your emails