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That's handy to know , we were thinking of getting the marriage for 1946 but a few things need sorting out first
But thank you for that it does answer a lot of questions about her other marriages

As a Catholic, she would not have been allowed to divorce, which would be why she used her birth surname on all the marriages................

I wonder what she said was her 'status' in 1946.

Thank you I'm out now till later but as I say I think we have done all we can

Thank you

Can't see any Robert Sumpton in Durham in 1939, with "wife" Mary and 2 children.

EDIT:

Oh, I see - you mean Amy.
Living in Hebburn.

The children are closed records on Ancestry.

ADDED:

They did marry eventually:

Marriages Dec 1946 (>99%)
Connor Amy Sumpton Manchester 10e 703
Sumpton Robert W Connor Manchester 10e 703

ErikaH I've put the marriage's up on here

Thank you for finding the address It doesn't look as though we're getting any where with this family Thank you for the time you've spent on this

I'm thinking we have tried , and may be put a stop to it may be some more info might come up later
she had left her husband as it was in a newspaper her children had been in trouble and it was stated she had left the family before this had happenedI think she " married" again or set up home with a Robert Sumpton and was living with him in 1939 in Durham with 2 more children, According to that family they don't know much about her children adopted she died in Wythenshawe Manchester 1983 her birth date was listed as 28th Feb 1905 which marches with the birth certificate.

Thank you once again

You say ‘Mary was his wife’, but there is NO record anywhere of their having married.

The Connors were at 23 Broom Street in January - but they'd gone by 2 April.

They're not at any other number in Broom Street, either.:


Charles Carr
in the 1911 England Census
Name Charles Carr
Age in 1911 35
Estimated Birth Year abt 1876 [abt 1876]
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Hanley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish South Manchester
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 16 Broom St Ardwick Manchester [ 23 Broom Street on image ]
Marital Status Widowed
Occupation Labourer
Registration District Number 464
Sub-registration district Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel 17
Piece 23718
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Charles Carr 35 Head
William Carr 12 Son
Margaret Carr 10 Daughter
Olive Carr 7 Daughter
Lydia Carr 6 Daughter
Philip Carr 4 Son


(Correction re address submitted on Ancestry.)

Children born Wolstanton; mmn Jones.

The 1911 census Charles and Elizabeth they had been married 4 yrs ? I've not been able to find a marriage for Charles and Mary Dixon so may be they didn't marry

does not look like charles married mary

as cant find a marriage for him to mary

Hmmm - that couple lived at 13 Matlock Street, Hyde Road, Gorton in 1911.

They were still at that address in 1939, with Elizabeth(nee Booth)'s mother Martha Booth 1859, and 2 other Booth females - Florence 1891 and Dorothy 1903.

Elizabeth and Charles married in Chorlton in 1906.

Yes good find for the Workhouse This last one for Charles was their an address and this Elizabeth wife is that who his wife is ?? as Mary was his wife

23 Broom st Ardwickis their any chance of getting that address up in the 1911 census?

Thank you for all your help I know it's a complicated family it has been all the way

Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
BOOTH Elizabeth Ellen Chorlton 8c 1712
BURGESS Charlotte Chorlton 8c 1712
Connor Charles Chorlton 8c 1712
DRINKWATER Joseph Chorlton 8c 1712

????
is this charles years out a canny bit

Name

Charles Connor
Sex

Male
Age

37
Birth Year (Estimated)

1874
Birthplace

Wigan, Lancashire
Marital Status

Married
Occupation

RAILWAY CARTER
Number in Family

2
Relationship to Head of Household

Head
Event Type

Census
Event Date

1911
Event Place

Gorton, Manchester, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)

South Manchester, Gorton, Lancashire, England
Sub-District

Ardwick
Sub-District Number

2
Enumeration District

93
District Number

464
Household Identifier

237940235
Record Type

Household
Document Type

3
Line Number

1
Page Number

1
Source Page Type

6
Piece/Folio

235
Registration Number

RG14
Schedule Type

118
Charles Connor's Spouses and Children

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Elizabeth E Connor Wife F 26 Harwich Birmingham, Warwickshire
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Good find, Abby (workhouse record).

The image says "see 4/1/11" which I assume means she was admitted on that date.
She was discharged c/o her mother on 6/1/11.
Informant - Father: Charles, 23 Broom/Broome Street, Ardwick.

That was also "the inmate"'s address before admission.

So Amy's age varies, which isn't helpful!

IF she's the Amy born in 1905 - and certainly father's details look as if she is - maybe she lied about her age for the 1924 marriage, in order to be thought legally an adult and not to have to have her father's approval.

Still lying in 1929, but not quite so much.

Name

Amy Connor
Birth Date

1904
Residence Place

West Gorton
Event Type

Workhouse Admission
Event Date


4 January 1911

Event Place

Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)

Lancashire
Affiliate Film Number

M 327 - 2 - 2 - 29
Affiliate Name

Manchester Withington Workhouse

If the 1901 census for Charles is right that means he got married 1901-1905
The marriages I've got for Amy 1924

Frederick Hornby 30 bachelor fitter 23 Cross St f Fred Hornby picture framer
Amy Connor 23 Plater "" f Charles Connor Carter


1929
Frederick Greenall 40 bachelor Fitter 2 Kings St Millom f Frederick Greenall dec Fitter
Amy Connor 26 Spinster " " "" F Charles Connor dec Carter

1913 Marriage for Frederick and Mary O'connor

Frederick Greenall 32 Bachelor Engine fitter 19 Elizabeth St Openshawe f Frederick Greenall dec Haidresser

Mary O'connor 34 Spinster !9 Elizabeth St Openshawe f Martin O'connor dec Hawker Hardware

You haven’t said whether you have Amy’s marriage certificates

Amy Greenall in 1921 is a full year older than the Amy Connor whose birth cert you have.

Where is she in 1939?

Sorry for the delay all you have found is what we have found 1921 census is the right family Frederick was married to Mary O'connor in 1913, we did wonder about Amy on that census, according to Mary's marriage father was Martin O'connor

This is why I wanted to try and find Amy's parents and hopfully find where they were from and their ages