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Give me a cigar. I just ordered my first certifiacte on the GRO site!!!! I need to lay down. It was a stressful experience and I have to say the page is a little confusing to the certifiacet 'virgin'. I put in all the information and as I did not know the axect DOB I (yes as you said) clicked a confusing button (yes it is confusing for you hard nosed experts out there) that gave the choice to enter the quarter, district, page and ref etc etc. It then happily took my visa payment. £10 not £7 !! Lets hope its the right Hilda???!!!! If this works I may be brave and try another i.e her marriage but I hope her birth will be enough? what if her father aka Francis William TRIPP) b. 18 March 188 had her via another woman??? I hope they will refund me. I can see now why its costs so much to do this research!!! Thanks to all for the ref info and fingers crossed. Justin

Did you know the GRO reference? If so you the cost should have been £7 not £10. On the first page you come to when you are placing your order you will see a question IS THE GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE INDEX KNOWN? - you need to click the YES button. IF you have done that then you will only be charged £7. You said you were asked for the exact date of birth. You will see that there are some red asterisks next to SOME of the boxes. It is compulsory to complete those marked with this asterisk. Other boxes where there is no asterisk (e.g. date of birth) do not have an asterisk - and therefore it is NOT compulsory to complete these. If you have the GRO reference then I would suggest you DO NOT put any info in boxes which do not have an asterisk (unless you want to use these as a checking reference)

I am curious as to how many certs you got for the £600 you paid a researcher-how much was for and 'end product' and how much was for certs and his/her time. where did you find this researcher,by the way?I have something I simply cant find,and maybe he/she could. They will not refund you because her mothers name doesnt agree with your/someones research,only part refund iof it doesnt agree AND you asked for mothers name as a checking point

Oh only £7.00 good. No, I called them up and eventually after listeing to a million recorded options got through to the operator who told me what to do. I put in 01/01/1906 and filled in the note box as the father was known by two names (why I do not know). It all went through- lets see what they send me? probably a Hilda who is not related (yes, oh ye of little faith!) Jess- The geneologist gave me an album ( a regular photo album) full of birth and marriage certs on mothers and fathers side going back to the mid 1800's. It was a pressent from my family to me this year as I had a big birthday (40th). She charged £600 or so. In the album she did noit put a full tree just a crude tree but not one big tree with the whole family. I asked her and she gave me a full tree and charged me £30 for this on top of the £600 plus already taken. We could not read it as it was so small and was emailed to us as an Adobe sheet. We then had to blow it up on a photocopier which was her suggestion! professional! NO. I then made a family book with photos and made trees just using WORD for both family names and sent it to my sister and mother, uncle and all cousins at great postage cost from Slovakia!!!! My uncle then told me about his father sister named Hilda. I started to look arround on the internet and found many names missing from the geneologists stuff/info. I found I was related to Mayersbach and others by looking at some quite good free sites. I then joined this site and still continue to look (as you know). I have a free GEDCOM tree maker but its not much cop. That's my story in this lark. I will not name the geneologist but I found her on the web. She was a rude and snotty woman and not at all helpful. I suppose there are lot of sharks out there doing this game for a business. Justin

I sounds all a bit odd to be honest - father known by two names. To be honest i think you need to focus on one name at a time,and fill in any gaps as you find them,make sure everyone has two named parents for a start,and that the dates are correct and see if you have the cert for verification.

2 name is odd I agree- why?? His son (Thomas as below) was called John but was know as 'Jack' when he was alive, As a boy I never asked why. Thomas James TRIPP (aka) Francis William TRIPP) b. 18 March 1883 Pancras this is the info as with all names, given to me by the geneologist. I can only follow her info. However people have helped me on this site - as you know. I think the above was married 2 times as were others on my tree. I hope the GRO will not take my money and/or send me the wrong Hilda. I put in all of the ref info that I was given by a member on this site and put a note in saying the fathers 2 names and not to issue me with a cert if they cannot find it. As you say, if they use the mother and Hilda was born via another woman I may be unlucky. I expect they will not use care and just take a payement- We will see. If its wrong I will not pursue any more certificates as I cannot afford it. Justin

Right Looking at your tree.. Rosa Tuck -1898 born to George Tuck and Lucy nee Nightingale. 1901 census says this.. Emma Tuck abt 1893 St Luke, London, England Daughter St Luke London Ethel Tuck abt 1895 St Luke, London, England Daughter St Luke London Fred Tuck abt 1897 St Luke, London, England Son St Luke London >> George Tuck abt 1865 Bethnal Green, London, England Head St Luke London << George Tuck abt 1889 St Luke, London, England Son St Luke London Lilian Tuck abt 1888 St Luke, London, England Daughter St Luke London Lottie Tuck abt 1866 Stepney, London, England Wife St Luke London Rosa Tuck abt 1899 St Luke, London, England Daughter St Luke London 1)CAN YOU change your birth year for George Tuck Snr for a start - you have some really silly date! 2) add the date that George and Lotty married which Holborn district 1b 1123 1886 - better than nothing for now

I do not know the correct date of George Tuck if its wrong? I may just remove him from the tree unless you can suggeste a more sensible date to puty?

DONT remove him from your tree - look below- 1901 census says he was born 1865!! far more realistic than 1800 if not 'spot on' accurate!' getting a more likely birth date for that george makes me really wonder if a generation has been missed out by your researcher- George Tuck ,now born 1865 Beth Green,cannot possibly be the son of williamTuck,born 1762. Well unless his father was capable of having a son at he age of 103....

Ok I will put 1865 on George. I think I will remove the parents of George as if you do the maths its crazy. Thanks.

DONT REMOVE anything-just change what i suggest you change ,if thats okay. its your tree- you do as you choose Lets follow it back and see what happens! Dont be so hasty - as i said,focus on one thing at a time.have a look yourself for glaringly obvious stupid things - the reason I looked at that was Lottie was ,according to your tree , 60 odd years older than her husband! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am going to plod my way back thru cenus and see what i can see, have to go out in a bit, BUT will come back to it

Right George and Lotty in 1891 ,married as i would expect. Alfred W Tuck 5 months George Tuck 26 George R Tuck 2 Lilliam G Tuck 3 Lotty Tuck 25 Civil parish: St Luke Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement Town: London County/Island: London Country: England ------------------------------------------ Right,now i will look for 1881, which will be more difficult, as we are not sure who we are looking for him to be with UNLESS you have the marriage cert for him and Lottie,which WILL TELL his fathers name - is that one the researcher gave you? 3rd Job for you change the birth dates for Lottie/Georges children

Ok if you have time to scan the tree does it all add up and look quite sensible for dates? I have a George as a son under Lotties parents and the dates a quite near to what you said. It would be nice to know who the parents were of George Tuck husband of Lotty were. I know the father of Lotty or Lottie (lucy!) was Robert Nightingale but do not know her mum. One person has told me George Tuck may have been married before but I can't see any point adding that to the tree?

No point in adding anything until we have evidence of it. Do you have their marriage cert -George and Lotties?

What should the dates be for the children of Lotty and George? I thought they were quite good? Should I add any children? I have the marriage cert of Lotty and George Tuck: Here it is: George Tuck and Lotty Nightingale married 1886 Agust (02 I think it says its hard to read) he was 21 and she was 20. The Father of George Tuck is also called GEORGE. The father of Lotty is ROBERT NIGHTINGALE. Marriage parish of St.Luke. Does this help?

1881- looks as if lottie ws the daughter of Robert BUT 1881 doesnt show her mother their marriage cert -George and Lotties- would confirm her fathers name Name: Lottie Nightingale Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Saint Luke County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 56 Featherste St Education: Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: Finsbury ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Lottie Nightingale 15 Robert Nightingale 53 ----------------------------------------- been here before 1871 Lotty transcribed as Stely Name: Stely Nightingale Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Eliza A Gender: Female Where born: Stratford, Essex, England Civil parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: St Dunstan Town: Mile End Old Town County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 191 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth J Granger 16 Alfred Nightingale 17 Eliza A Nightingale 38 Emma Nightingale 19 Mary Nightingale 6 Robert Nightingale 43 Stely Nightingale 4 It was Roberts wife that has been married before,(probably Robert too)hence step daughter Elizabeth Grainger. So Eliza may well not be Lottys mother. Do you have a birth Cert for Lottie in that collection?

1871 george Tuck - a guess,but that is all it is at the moment Name: George Tuck Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Son Father's name: George Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Mile End, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Kentish Town ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 333 Household Members: Name Age George Tuck 44 George Tuck 7 Margaret Tuck 42 On that same marriage cert - what was georges fathers occupation?

RIGHT i must get out now,will return later

See earlier thread I have given marrige info for Lotty and husband Eliza A may not be lotties mum!!?? I have Lotties birth cert: Lotties dad Robert Nightingale, Mother recorded as Emma Ann Nightingale formerly Rawlings. I am confused!

Hope you don't mind me adding but I wanted to say well done to Jess for all the advice and help she is giving, I was just reading over this and she sure seems to have been working hard. So once again Well Done Jess. Carol