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The Rigby children and Birrell children both seem to fit fairly well, and Elizabeth Rigby and Elizabeth Birrell have similar dates of birth, but Elizabeth Birrell was born in Whiston, like Richard's wife, whereas Elizabeth Rigby was born in Prescot, so I think Elizabeth Birrell is the more likely of the two. However, you'll need a marriage cert or one of the children's birth certs to be sure.

This looks more like the right one: Births Mar 1890 Berrell Richard Prescot 8b 689 I wonder who the Richard Travis born in 1886 was, though?

Births Sep 1886 Travis Richard Prescot 8b 748 I wonder why Richard and Elizabeth didn't get married until 1890? I doesn't look as though either of them was already married. The 1886 date of birth doesn't tie in with the censuses, though.

Births Mar 1884 Birrell Henry Prescot 8b 729 Births Mar 1887 Birrell Mary Elizabeth Prescot 8b 677

Great minds think alike, June :-)

I would be careful has no births for children but look at theses # Name: Mary Rigby Birth: Jun 1886 - Prescot, Lancashire Name: Henry Rigby Birth: Dec 1884 - Prescot, Lancashire Name: Richard Rigby Birth: Dec 1890 - Prescot, Lancashire June x

I thought there was something about the dates that didn't quite add up - in fact there's no sign of a birth for the older children, Henry and Mary, at about the right dates in Prescot. But... there are a Henry and Mary Birrell. Looks as though they were Elizabeth's children by a previous marriage or relationship, and they took Richard's name when she married him.

Looks like marriage in 1890 John Abbott 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Prescot Lancashire Elizabeth Birrell 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Prescot Lancashire Elizabeth Rigby 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Prescot Lancashire John Thomas Townley 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Wisbech Cambridgeshire, Norfolk Richard Travis 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Prescot Lancashire Volume 8b page 1099 Seems to have married Elizabeth Birrell as Whiston Lancashire is in the Prescot registration district and have found this birth record for Elizabeth Elizabeth Birrell Year of Registration: 1861 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar DISTRICT: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 454 Hope this helps

Did you find the marriage? I've found Elizabeth in 1881 - if you can't find her, say so, and I'll show you how to do it.

Fantastic Thanks people :-) Di

1891 Name: Richard Travis Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Prescot, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Eccleston Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Prescot County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Prescot ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Travis 29 Henry Travis 8 Mary Travis 5 Richard Travis 30 Richard Travis 1 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3016; Folio 122; Page 15; GSU roll: 6098126 The ages of the children will give you a possible clue as to the date of the marriage Maureen

1881 census Name: Richard Travis Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Eccleston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Eccleston IN Prescot County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 13 Holmes Buildings Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Coal Miner Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Prescot ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Travis 6 Henry Travis 13 Margaret Travis 43 Richard Travis 20 Thomas Travis 44 June x

birth Name: Richard Travis Year of Registration: 1861 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep DISTRICT: Prescot County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 459 (click to see others on page) June x

Possible that the 1871 could be a match for 1901 as age is only a couple of years out Name: Richard Travis Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Prescot, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Eccleston Ecclesiastical parish: Prescot St Mary Town: Prescott County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Prescot ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 122 Household Members: Name Age Henry Travis 3 Margaret Travis 32 Richard Travis 8 Thomas Travis 35 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3861; Folio: 112; Page: 23; GSU roll: 841934.

Have you got birth certificate for Leslie? Would be easier to work backwards rather than forward. Maureen

1901 census Name: Richard Travis Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Prescot, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Eccleston Ecclesiastical parish: Eccleston Christchurch Town: Eccleston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Prescot ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 86 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Travis 43 Henry Travis 17 James Travis 5 John Travis 2 Maggie A Travis 8 Mary Travis 14 Richard Travis 40 Richard Travis 11 Is this him June x

If you look at the site I gave you (FreeBMD), you'll find the marriage. There's only one listed in Prescot.

Vague family information. Place of birth is fairly firm as the family have stayed in the area but the year of birth could be a little off as descendants died young so firm information is difficult. Hence looking for marriage information. If I can get that, then we can get copy of cert and prove other info too. Like fathers name and maiden name for Elizabeth. No idea where married, assumption would be Lancs. Tried FreeBMD and Ancestry, going to change the date range as I have just found a Richard and Elizabeth, with a Richard son in Prescot on 1891 census. year of birth different, but then that is normal for Census information isn't it? Di

any idea where or when Richard Snr married

How do you know age and place of birth? On 1871 census there one but born 1863 Prescot. Maureen