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Making easier reading............it's better to add long messages as a reply. GR scrunches things up 71 cen. Joseph and Hannah Rowley are living in Bucknall Staffs with children Philip, Joseph, Louisa, mary sarah and jane and others. Also with them is brother in law elgate Hykins. There is a marriage for Joseph Rowley and Hannah Ikins in 1858. 61 cen. Can`t find family but have....... Philp ikins with grandparents Ikins in Bucknall. Joseph and Hannah MOORE with children Joseoh, Louisa, mary and sarah. With them is sister in law Francis Akins all living Bucknall. all of the right ages. There is a marriage for a William Moore and Hannah Ikins in1856. On later census the family is rowley To confuse things even more I have found a baptism for a Joseph Ikins in 1854 mother anna. Both Joseph and philip were born before either marriage. With the family on the 81 census is mother Maria Hough born 1818. I can not find either Joseph or Hannah before the 61. Can any one help me to sot this lot out. Im cracking up again Julie

I think it will be easier with full details............1871 census Name: Joseph Rowley Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Stoke upon Trent Ecclesiastical parish: Bucknall St Mary Town: Bucknall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 55 Household Members: Name Age Elgate Hykens 19 Brother in Law, b. Bucknall Hannah Rowley 38 Hannah Rowley 9 Jane Rowley 12 John Rowley 4 months Joseph Rowley 39 Joseph Rowley 17 Louisa Rowley 16 Maria Rowley 11 Mary Rowley 14 Philip Rowley 19 Sarah Rowley 13 William Rowley 6 All Rowleys b. Bucknall Reg

Thanks Reggie.

Well done Reg!! Suzanne

Philip Ikins in 1861............ Elizah Ikins William, Jane abt 1851 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire James Ikins William, Jane abt 1850 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire Jane Ikins William abt 1808 Wetley Moor, Staffordshire, England Wife Bucknall Staffordshire Philip Ikins abt 1853 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Grandson Bucknall Staffordshire Thomas Ikins William, Jane abt 1847 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Bucknall Staffordshire William Ikins Jane abt 1799 Nantwich, Cheshire, England Head Bucknall Staffordshire Susannah Morris William, Jane abt 1841 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Bucknall Staffordshire Reg

61 cen Name: Joseph Moore Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Hannah Gender: Male Where born: Barton, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Bucknall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 34 Household Members: Name Age Frances Akins 16 Hannah Moore 26 Joseph Moore 29 Joseph Moore 6 Louisa Anne Moore 5 Mary Moore 3 Sarah Moore 1 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1933; Folio: 81; Page: 9; GSU roll: 542890.

Don't know if this helps but here are the Ikins in 1851 Eli Wiken William,Jane abt 1851 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire Frances Wiken William,Jane abt 1847 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire James Wiken William,Jane abt 1849 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire Jane Wiken William abt 1808 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Wife Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire John Wiken William,Jane abt 1839 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire Shu Wiken William,Jane abt 1841 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire Thos Wiken William,Jane abt 1847 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire William Wiken Jane abt 1794 Stukely, Cheshire, England Head Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire William Wiken William,Jane abt 1837 Bucknall, Staffordshire, England Son Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire

Lyla, Lyla Lyla. How good are you, Does it help, Most definatly. I have been searching all day and was trolling through the bucknall district just now. Looks as if william lies about his age. Have found one on IGI for 1791 Nantwich Thanks Julie ps the original reads Hikin and born stapeley which is in Nantwich

And this looks like them in 1841... Hannah Hiken abt 1834 Staffordshire, England Buckland cum Bagnall Staffordshire Jame Hiken abt 1808 Staffordshire, England Buckland cum Bagnall Staffordshire John Hiken abt 1839 Staffordshire, England Buckland cum Bagnall Staffordshire Susanhah Hiken abt 1840 Staffordshire, England Buckland cum Bagnall Staffordshire William Hiken abt 1800 Buckland cum Bagnall Staffordshire William Hiken abt 1837 Staffordshire, England Buckland cum Bagnall Staffordshire

You have made my day. Have found a death for william in 1878 aged 78. He must be on the 71 somewhere as well. Thank you thank you thank you

My guess is that this is William in 1871 (image I think says Hickin) Name: William Hickson Age: 73 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Nantwich, Cheshire, England Civil Parish: Hanley Ecclesiastical parish: Hanley Town: Hanley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent Sub-registration district: Hanley ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 189 Household Members: Name Age Richard Fowler 64 William Hickson 73 John Parkinson 67

William Hikkins marries Jane Reeves 1833 Bucknall. Wonder what name he will be under next.

Looks like you have just given me an answer. Glass of wine is called for I think. Can I get you one! Just the next generation to sort out. Its Joesph Rowley junior is my line. No births are showing up for him under Rowley/Ikins or Moore. Julie

LOL - and I thought my Flewers/Fluers/Hewers/Husman/Cheevers were bad! I can't answer your original question but I'm sure the Moores in 1861 are the same family as the 1871 Rowleys as there are too many coincidences.

Louisa seems to have been born a Rowley Name: Louisa Rowley Year of Registration: 1856 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Stoke Upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 132 (click to see others on page) And this could possibly be Joseph.. Name: Male Rowley Year of Registration: 1855 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Stoke Upon Trent County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 173 (click to see others on page)

all the children are rowley except Joseph and philip. Have found them all. This is not even my tree. Just doing it for a friend

Have you seen this one? View Record Hannah Ikins 1858 Oct-Nov-Dec Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire View Record Charles Jarvis 1858 Oct-Nov-Dec Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire View Record Ann Ray 1858 Oct-Nov-Dec Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire View Record Joseph Rowley 1858 Oct-Nov-Dec Stoke Upon Trent Staffordshire Ooops you already said that - I'll have that glass of wine now please!

One bottle coming up. I have to sign of now as hubby is just coming in from work. I will be back as soon as my eyes open in the morning. If they will. Goodnight and many thanks for your help. Julie

Hi Julie I'm running out of ideas I'm afraid. Have you tried to trace the mother Maria Hough back through the census? It says she was borrn in Derbyshire but looking at the image it might be Denbyshire. I was thinking it might have been a mistake for Moore but this looks like her in 1871 Ann Hough Joh,Maria abt 1850 Malpas, Cheshire, England Daughter Norton Canes Staffordshire Hough Maria abt 1815 Stockbridge, Cheshire, England Head Norton Canes Staffordshire Joseph Hough Joh,Maria abt 1849 Dewidge, Lancashire, England Son Norton Canes Staffordshire Maria Hough Joh abt 1816 Rosthdaw, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Norton Canes Staffordshire Tobitha Hough Joh,Maria abt 1852 Coseley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Norton Canes Staffordshire Isaac Lamb abt 1851 Parplane, Staffordshire, England Lodger Norton Canes Staffordshire Possibly 1861 Ann Hough John,Maria abt 1850 Malpas, Cheshire, England Daughter Malpas Cheshire Hannah Hough John,Maria abt 1854 Malpas, Cheshire, England Daughter Malpas Cheshire John Hough Maria abt 1805 Malpas, Cheshire, England Head Malpas Cheshire Margaret Hough John,Maria abt 1852 Malpas, Cheshire, England Daughter Malpas Cheshire Maria Hough John abt 1813 Malpas, Cheshire, England Wife Malpas Cheshire Possibly 1851 Ann Hough John,May abt 1850 Malpas, Cheshire, England Daughter Malpas Cheshire John Hough May abt 1806 Stockland, Cheshire, England Head Malpas Cheshire Joseph Hough John,May abt 1847 Lancashire, England Son Malpas Cheshire May Hough John abt 1813 Denbighshire, Wales Wife Malpas Cheshire May Hough John,May abt 1843 Malpas, Cheshire, England Daughter Malpas Cheshire If this is her I'm not entirely sure how she can be the mother of Joseph Rowley/Moore though Lyla