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Sorry Leah I've only just had a chance to check this thread. It was really kind of you to search again for Jane GRANTHAM. .... It's been a real trial piecing together anything at all about this family. Supposedly Jane was born in Portsmouth and George in Southampton. That's why I suggested a possible Hampshire marriage. Thank you for trying to help. I'm very grateful.

thanks leah, I got the images and are looking at them closely!

TRACEY Yes, pm me your email and I will try to send direct from Ancestry via their 'Share image' function. Will send both so you can decide which one you think is more likely. James Fennel Warner would have been approx 23 yrs in 1914, so not too old to sign up. Regards Leah

thanks Leah. I have googles james fennel and believe he died in WW1 in France, tho I think his wife Annie did go on to marry again, and had 3 more children, so this maybe him, (tho would have thought he was too old to join up!?) so maybe its the second family, could you send me image please if I pm you my email addy?

GWYNETH RE - JANE GRANTHAM Hi - have had another look for you. Searched on births for Jane Grantham c1841 - and there was one that came up for 1841 Lincoln. Then I looked again at the marriages - the only one for Jane Grantham in the 1860s was one for 1866 Lincoln. There is a George on that page - but his surname is Gresham. Bit of a mystery this one. Sorry, don't think I can help you with this as I've exhausted all possibilities. Regards Leah

TRACEY Re Warners Hi - not sure I'm going to be much help to you, although I did find a birth entry, as follows, which looks an awful lot like it could be the chap you're looking for: James Fennel Warner Born 1891 - March qtr Basford v7b p226 So, after finding that, I tried searching the 1901 census for him. One entry came up for James Warner b1891: Bulwell, Notts (313 L?arry Road [unclear writing]) David Warner, 50, manager on pit bank Hannah, 40, wife James, 10, son George, 9, son Lucy, 8, dau Mary, 7, dau Alice, 16, dau RG13/3190 f53 p14 This might be him as I'm sure his father's occ of pit bank manager means the coal pits, doesn't it? There was only one other James Warner in 1901 Notts but with birth year 1893 and father was Alfred. Don't think that's your man as this was a family who all worked in a Lace factory. My bets are on the first family - especially as you mention your grt grandfather being a David Warner. Sorry it's not much but it's all I can find. Regards, Leah

Leah Thank you for looking. The 1838 marriage is too early for Jane. (b.abt 1841) I've only recently found her maiden name from her child's birth certificate so have little to go on. Thank you for your help. Gwyneth

Hi Leah, sorry I dont know d.o.b, I do know it was a first marriage tho, have just received my grandfathers ( david william)birth certificate this morning, his siblings were sally and grace born later than 1914 i think, James was a coalminer hewer, and his middle name looks like Fenural (have tried all kind here!) Jenural Senural!! sory thats all I know

Hi Leah, Thank you for everything that you have done for me and found more children have a nice day as you deserve it with having to put up with me lol hope you enjoy your dinner kind regards June

Hi June That's ok - just had me baffled for a while, lol. Anyway, have found a few births which might be your McKnights: Mary Ann McKnight 1862 - Sept - Prescot v8b p535 Alice McKnight 1867 - March - West Derby v8b p354 Couldn't find one for William bc1870 - there was one for 1873 - perhaps they registered his birth late? I was looking for the marriage entry - didn't realise you actually had the cert already. Well, hope all that has helped you with your research. I'm off to lunch now. Best wishes Leah

Hi Thank you Leah your a star sorry about not putting right name got excited as just got marriage cert kind regards June

JUNE - Sorry, but the information you gave me was incorrect. The surname is MCKNIGHT. Found him on 1861 and 1871 census: 1861 - RG9/2774 f55 p11: Thomas McKnight, 21, Boarder, Engine Smith, b St Helens. Living at 20 [Atherton?] St, Wigan, Lancs. 1871 - RG10/3812 f75 p30 Thomas McKnight, 29, Engine Fitter, b ST Helens Mary, 30, wife Mary, 8, dau Alice, 4, dau Wm, 1, son Living at 3 Garribaldi St, Everton, Liverpool I will now do a search on any of those child births for you. Regards Leah

TRACEY - Could you give me more information to go on please. I need, if poss, Annie's birth year, parents names, siblings etc. Anything at all that you have on her will help in the search. Have already searched marriages of Annie Horton/James Warner in Notts - plenty of marriages for both but not together on same pages, unfortunately. If this was a first marriage for both of them, then by knowing their birth years we can roughly work out when they would have married. Leah

Hi Leah, I know he was married in 1871 he had a child called Alice Kcnight 1867 Liverpool sorry only have Williams father 1825 regards June

JUNE - I have searched the 1861 and 1871 census records for Thomas Knight b1843 Lancs with parents William and Ann Knight - to no avail. In 1861 there is one Thomas Knight b1841 boarding in Warrington - and again on the 1871 there is another boarder. No Thomas Knight's with wife Mary on 1871. Do you know which year he married Mary and district they married in? Was Mary his first wife? Also, do you have any birth years for his parents? Do you think they could be deceased by 1861? Leah

GWYNNETH - I have searched marriages for your George Sheath and Jane Grantham - No luck I'm afraid. The only marriage for a Jane Grantham in Hampshire was for 1838! (I did check a few other areas but there were not many marriages c1860 to choose from) Was she married twice? Regards Leah

can you look up please, Annie Horton, from nottinghamshire, She married james Warner, not sure when, but was later living at hazel street, nottingham in 1914, could be a long shot, but you never know! thanks

Hi Leah, his parents are William and Ann Kcnight dont think he was married in 1861 but his wife was called Mary regards June

Thank you Leah I am searching for a marriage of George SHEATH to Jane GRANTHAM probably in Hampshire c 1860.

June - do you have any other info on your Thomas Knight? Was he married by 1861? Do you know his parents names? Anything else to narrow down the search? Thanks