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I've been searching for this lot (my gg-grandfather) for over three months now. I've only found them in 1851 - please read on.

I've been searching for this lot (my gg-grandfather) for over three months now. I've only found them in 1851. Joseph Eveson greengrocer, born c1824 in Smithfield, London Eliza Elizabeth Eveson (maiden name Beale) born c1824 in Bath, Somerset One known child Joseph Eveson born 1850 in Christchurch, London. I've got their marriage certificate (1847), the birth certificate from 1850 and the 1851 census and it all ties up. In 1851, Eliza's mother was staying with them to confirm Beale for me, and Eliza even put her name as Eliza E. They stayed at the same address (17 Broadwall, Christchurch), so that the birth certificate and the 1851 census have the same address. They even made sure the enumerator had good handwriting. But that's it. Can I find them in 1861 or 1871 or 1881.....? No. The younger Joseph got married in 1869 and I have him in every census that follows. Even when he was mistranscribed as Dodson. Help! Alan

Do you have Joseph Jr's marriage certificate? I would note if the father is deceased. He could have died prior to 1861 and Eliza remarried. Rose

I have Joseph jnrs marriage certificate. It doesn't say deceased. I have also looked for remarriages and haven't found any possibles - yet. Alan

pin down ChristChurch area in the city for me please - I know its a parish, but area name ? Hoxton ? Spital fields ? else Southwark or Camberwell just south of the river. Is that street still around ?

Hi Alan I can't find what you are looking but do you have Joseph's family because I have found his parents and siblings. If you want them just send me your email address and I will copy them and send them to you. Regards Maureen

Maureen, I've sent you an email. Laird, Cross the river at Blackfriars Bridge heading south and turn right! It's modern day Southwark I think. Alan

Thanks - got it now. Reg district would be St Saviour Southwark (can see an 1871 Eveson birth there ....) with a pob like Somerset, Bath - Eliza should be easy to find - but NO. Joseph is prob Holborn or Clerkenwell - Smithfield, but who knows - will keep looking. Where was sonny Jim in 1871 please ?

Laird, you can find the street on multimap. Look for Coin Street SE1. Two streets up, you'll see BRO., that's Broadwall, or what's left of it. It used to be much longer. Alan

To find The younger Joseph in 1871 search for Josh Evenson. There's 4 month old Joseph there too, that's my g-grandfather! Alan

Using just Jos* and pob ....I must be using wrong pob - St Saviour - no sign even under that nom de plume I now see you show ! - right, onwards ! Ahhhhhhhhhhh - SURREY birth county, LONDON residence - both Christchurch LOL, Christchurch, Surrey, England Head Christchurch London

Search for Josh Evenson without any other data, there's only one of them in 1871. A

just really wanted to see how young Joseph's pob was recorded ..... Jo snr is gonna be tough with these sort of mistranscriptions and his vague pob of Smithfield ... (its not even really a Parish, so he could have said anywhere in the sq mile ...) I looked for deaths out of interest in FreeBMD - only 4 Evesons in Greater London 1850-1871 - guess you know that by heart after 3 months lol. Gotta feed the dogs - back l8r.

Glad it's not just me that's struggling with them LOL. Dodson, Eveson, Evenson, Everson, Eweson, Evson, Ereson, Enson, Eueson, Levison, Evison, Evason..... A

thought I'd cracked it till I saw the family names - Hannah - damn .. Its a shame that you cant prefix with wildcards - the SON suffix always seems OK. ?? ?? ?? South??, Surrey, England Son Camberwell St Giles London Chas?? ?? 13 Ch??, Surrey, England Daughter Camberwell St Giles London Hannah ?? 42 ??, Surrey, England Wife Camberwell St Giles London Joseph ?? 47 London, Middlesex, England Head Camberwell St Giles London William ?? 9 Ch??, Surrey, England Son Camberwell St Giles London

well, been quite systematic about it and altho obviously havent tried every combo ...... it has to be another of the Dodson ilk mistrans' I guess. I searched the 1871 for Jos* b1824 +/- 5 years, no pob, in London, in Middlesex and finally any county - with (all vowels)VE / UE / WE / YE then the other way around - and a few others thrown in. If they are missing in all 3 census - thats unusual ..... dunno, emigrated ? Real shame that Eliza didnt show with age and pob ..... hey ho- I'll sleep on it. Good one !

Thanks to everyone who is helping me here :o) I have thought about looking to see if they emigrated. It's just that every time I look for someone to see if they've emigrated, it turns out that they haven't! One or both of them could have died. I've looked for that too, but not found anything conclusive. For anyone new joining the thread, we still haven't found this family in 1861/71/81/91.... Alan

Hi Alan - I'm a bit pushed for time today, but a thought has occured. The address where the younger Joseph is in 1871 (Search for Josh Evenson )..... have you manually trawled thru the neighbouring houses ?

Yes, but a while back and I probably wasn't looking for a remarriage, so I'll go through 1871 again. If anyone could check Broadwall in 1861 looking for Joseph Evesons and Eliza Elizabeth Evesons (maybe remarried but still with young Joseph?) that would be fantastic! Alan

Just went through Broadwall in 1871 looking for them. Nothing :o( I'll start on the other streets in the area. The two neighbouring districts (4 and 6)are pretty clear, but I've found one (3) with atrocious handwriting, so I'll check that next! Alan