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Thank you Jo and Linda I have a lot of research to do in scotland and I'm sure the Cd's will prove very useful, so I'm going to spend a few more pennies and who knows in a couple of years I might be doing the "stirling" work your doing. I thank not only you, but everybody that has helped me and I hope one day I can post my success story on the board along with the others. And Ladies if ever you need help in your searches I would be only too happy to put my limited experience at your service. Best regards Geoff

Must be having a bad day. Would have sworn I had just posted a message about this but it didnt show up. I had a look at the LDS web site last night and it doesnt look as though you can purchase 1881 Census for Scotland separately. Just as part of the overall package. There is an LDS web site which gives a British telephone number where you can ring up and order. The 1881 Census is reference no. 50169000. Think it cost me about twenty somthing pounds and is worth every penny. Sorry about the duff info about George - must have had the wrong glasses on (or head). Happy hunting. Linda

The Discs I have are the LDS 1881 but it includes Scotland, Wales, Channel Isles, Isle of Man and the royal navy. My Aunty bought me them to help me get started, there are other ways for searching than on the web site. Not sure how much they cost but I like them!

Jo You're a treasure I shall run through all those searches and see if I can find a match, you've certainly worked hard on my behalf for which I'm so grateful. I shall get back to you when I've studied them, tomorrow, I'm really busy today. Just as a matter of interest I did ask in one of my postings where I could purchase CD's on Scotland's Genealogy and if they were worth it, do you have an opinion on this? Your help as always is greatly appreciated. Geoff

This Dwelling: Trinity Station Houses Census Place: North Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224016 GRO Ref Volume 692-1 EnumDist 19 Page 33 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Janet GRAY W 75 F Longforgan Rel: Head Occ: Income (Supplied By Family) Helen GRAY U 42 F Cramond, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Housekeeper John GRAY U 39 M Cramond, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Railway Porter John GRAY U 17 M S Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Grand Son Occ: Telegraph Messenger C Service

This one Dwelling: 6 West Stanhope Place Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0223989 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 6 Page 13 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Andrew GRAY M 45 M England Rel: Head Occ: Superintendant Postal Telegraph Magdalene GRAY M 45 F England Rel: Wife Charles E. GRAY U 16 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Telegraphist John A. GRAY U 15 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Madelina A. GRAY U 12 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Hannah G. GRAY 10 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Edward A. GRAY 7 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Kate GRAY 5 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland

another one! Dwelling: 33 Engine St Census Place: Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203706 GRO Ref Volume 662-1 EnumDist 1 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James A. GRAY M 33 M Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Railway Surfaceman Jane A. GRAY M 34 F Ochiltree, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Wife John A. GRAY 13 M Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Telegraph Clerk Maggie M.A. GRAY 11 F Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Isabella GRAY 8 F Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William W. GRAY 6 M Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Annie P. GRAY 4 F Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Daur James Gray MC CULLOCH U 21 M Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Boarder

Gray with telegraph Dwelling: New Street Census Place: Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203595 GRO Ref Volume 587 EnumDist 5 Page 13 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Margaret GRAY W 40 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Housekeeper Christina GRAY U 19 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Fancy Box Maker John GRAY 15 M Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Apprentice Engine Keeper Archibald GRAY 13 M Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Telegraph Message Boy William GRAY 10 M Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Annie Fulton GRAY 7 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar John CAMPBELL W 71 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Fath Occ: Retired Gardener

Jo's right Linda, thank you for looking though, I'm going to have to find another living relative if there are any. Once again thank you both so much Geoff

Linda, I'm sure it says that George Todd Gray born 1897 so he wouldn't be born in 1881. It's that or my eyes are playing me up, looking too much at the screen!!!

Just had another look at these two couples. One was a Stone Mason and the other a Boot Top Cutter. Sorry.

Geoff - I've had a look at all George Grays born in Scotland between 1875 and 1881 and couldnt find any with parents called John and Margaret. There was a John and Annie with children George and John. Also a John and Jane, with children Peter, Lily, George and Jessie. Both fit the time scale for the marriage. If I can help further just let me know. Happy hunting.

Thanks once again Jo Not really any more to go on, I have calculated that John Gray had 13 children from 1875 -1897 when my granfather was born, and in my estimation he could have had two or three children by 1881. Don't know if John had brothers or sisters himself, this has got me really stumped and I don't know where to go from here! I appreciate your efforts. X and Linda I would be grateful for any help at the moment because I think I've found my brick wall! LOL. Thank you both x Geoffx

Linda and Jo Big thank you for those e mails. It certainly looks as if they are the Sweeney Clan I have been searching for. Thanks very much for your troubles. Much Happiness Debi

Will have a go looking for you Geoff Debi - I have sent you an e-mail - hope it is the correct one. Linda

I've had a look again for telegraph officers, there is one called Alexander Gray? Looking at the dates too I don't think George would have been about in 1881 because you said his birth was 1897. Anything else you can think of?

Many thanks Margaret and Jo, I've had the same problem, name very common. I'm afraid its not any of the ones you traced but thank you both very much for your time and your attempts to help. The John Gray I am looking for was a telegraph officer and would have had a George Gray (my grandfather) as a son. John lived in Glasgow all his life but my grandfather who lived in 49 Crail Street Parkhead (was the youngest of 13 children) moved to Dunfermline. My father also George Gray was born in Crail Street in 1921, died 1949. As for the marriage date I got that from an aunt who remembers her mother mentioning it, no cert I'm afraid. I have even been to Edinburgh about 6 yrs ago but failed to find anything. Just as a matter of interest, as I have a lot of searching to do in Scotland can I purchase Cd's if so how much and where from? Thanks once again for your interest I hope I can return the compliment sometime. Geoff

Another plea of help for Margaret Drummond if I may ambush the thread - sorry. 1881 Census if and when you have the time please thankyou : ) Charlie SWEENEY b 1865 Uphall, Linlithgow Scotland Hope you don't mind : ) Debi

Hi Jo, I went with the ones with the younger children as they only married in 1875. But who knows, like many, they might have married long after the event/s :o)) Regards Margaret

Not sure if this is any use Dwelling: 137 Barrack Street Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203646 GRO Ref Volume 644-5 EnumDist 47 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John GRAY M 52 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Book Packer Margaret GRAY M 44 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Margaret GRAY U 23 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Book Folder John GRAY U 21 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Tin Case Maker Mary GRAY U 15 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Book Folder Elizabeth GRAY 13 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar James GRAY 7 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William GRAY 5 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Dwelling: 18 Villiers St Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203640 GRO Ref Volume 644-3 EnumDist 83 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John GRAY M 46 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Glass Maker Margaret GRAY M 46 M Ireland Rel: Wife Margaret GRAY U 22 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Power Loom Weaver Mary GRAY U 20 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Pottery Worker John GRAY U 18 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Glass Maker William GRAY U 12 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Janet GRAY U 9 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Dwelling: 37 Shuttle St Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203646 GRO Ref Volume 644-5 EnumDist 33 Page 13 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John GRAY M 37 M Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Shoemaker Margaret GRAY M 35 F Bo'ness, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Wife James GRAY U 14 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Apprentice Tile Layer Barara GRAY U 13 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Message Girl Boot Trade Mary GRAY 10 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar William GRAY 2 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Hope I'm not jumping in on your thread Margaret ! Just had some time to spare