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errrrr,


again that isn't always the truth!!!


brides and grooms are known to have lied about their age on the marriage certificate!


thoguht they were too old or too young for the spouse.


may be actually under age, so added a couple of years.



Then of course, they make up the name of their father, and/or his occupation.




don't believe everything!



sylvia

if your order it online use his dads name thomas as a ref check and if it has a diff dads name on they will only charge £3. not sure if you can use the ref check on phone order.

You all have been a great help...i am just going to blow my hard earned £7 and bite the bullet even if its wrong....whats the betting that he's illegitimate lol

xxx

thanks

It does make sense Ozi .... i did think that but just needed another persons eyes on this just to make sure that i wasn't wishing it to be that.

Lesley

its states his age on the marriage certificate Sylvia?

Lesley

Stamford is just to the north of Peterborough. Looking at the 1891 image, I don't think the pob is Fairford. I think it says Stamford.

That's exactly right, Sylvia. I'm having trouble waking up this morning. Even my explanation didn't make sense.

Back to Fairford/Stamford. If you look at the way St Albans is written for daughter Susan, you see the St is very similar to the beginning of George's pob. If you realize the 'F' is an 'St' then the 'air' is easily 'am'. Does that make sense or am I still groggy?

Ozi.

ps,

i think ozi meant it was too early in the morning for her!


in other words she hadn't read the title of the thread completely!




sylvia

The marriage certificate has nothing to do with the time when he was born!


it's not proof of anything, except that they did get married!


He could have been born years and years before (or after)!

You might have to expand the years over which you are searching.

sylvia

prob is it wasnt compulsory for birth registers
until 1875

1891:
Name: George Crampton
Spouse: Saima
Birth: abt 1853 - city, Northamptonshire, England
Residence: 1891 - city, London, England


cant see him in 1871.

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this might be him....(dont think hes too early ozbird. this would match up with 3 census's)

Births Dec 1852
CRAMPTON George Stamford 7a _45

The 1847 one is not correct because I have followed that one through to 1901 so I suppose my only hope is the other one in 1852 but its always worried me due to it not being Peterborough.

I know he was born about 1852 because of the marriage certificate which hasn't been transcribed by someone but is actually an original.

thanks all
Lesley

there are some births ,in the counties he put down
George Crampton 1847 Oct-Nov-Dec Ware Hertfordshire

George Crampton 1852 Oct-Nov-Dec Stamford Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, Rutland

hes on the 1901 as abt 1848 Peterborough, Huntingdonshire

think this could be him in 1901 - dates slightly out?

living St Pancras

George Crampton 53 Hunts Peterborough Navvy
Emma Crampton 56 Wood Neiot
Frank Crampton 18 London St Pancras Labourer
Harry Crampton 15 London St Pancras
Beatrice Crampton 11 London St Pancras
George Crampton 7 London St Pancras

maybe this age is correct and the others were out - we could look for an earlier year for birth !? (just thinking aloud now...)

Yes Lisa

That is the correct one - and also the correct marriage. Emma had married before to Thomas Wheatley but her husband died when their child Sarah was a few months old and then she married my GGG Grandfather.

Lesley

???

Births Dec 1852
CRAMPTON George Stamford 7a _45

The district Stamford spans the boundaries of the counties of Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire and Rutland, but not Peterborough or Fairford as far as I can see.

It's 5:50 in the morning here.

What do you mean "too early still" Ozbird

Lesley

do you have the right emma? - was her surname WHEATLEY?

this was the only marriage i could find:

Marriages Dec 1877
CRAMPTON George St. Alban's 3a 613
WHEATLEY Emma St. Albans 3a 613

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1881 census:
Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
George CRAMPTON Head M Male 28 Peterboro, Northampton, England Laborer Plumbers
Emma CRAMPTON Wife M Female 28 Wood Newton, Northampton, England
Sarah Ann CRAMPTON Daur Female 4 St Albans, Hertford, England Scholar
Edith E. CRAMPTON Daur Female 2 St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 200 Weedington Road
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341048
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0217 / 77
Page Number 68

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Sorry, too early still.

George Crampton b. 1852

Lesley