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Hi,
I was wondering if anyone could help me trace my ggg grandfather William Gray born in Seaton Ross, Yorkshire England in 1819. I am new to GR and do not know where or how to get this type of info. He then married a girl called Caroline (Imeson?) possibly around Q3 1842. She was from Leeds and her mother was Jane. They lived in Carr St, Leeds according to the 1861 census. William was a cloth finisher. Would anyone out there know where I could find the local mill? I would be very grateful for any direction on these queries.
Many thanks,
Pauline

1851
William Gray
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Seaton Ross, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Little London
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 4d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 160
Household Members: Name Age
Ada Gray 3
Caroline Gray 30
Charles Gray 7
James Gray 10 Mo
William Gray 32
William Gray 4

most of the mills have been pulled down or turned into flats. and there would have been dozens of mills .unless you know the mills name it would be difficult.

There is this marriage in the 3rd qtr, of 1843 in Leeds, but the Caroline on the same page is called Caroline Spencer:-

Name: William Gray
Year of Registration: 1842
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 23
Page: 311

You would need to get one of the children's birth certificates to verify the mother's maiden name.

Kath. x

1871
Wm Gray
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Seaton Ross, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 63
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Gray 50
Edwin Spencer Gray 12
James Gray 20
Mary Gray 16
Wm Gray 53 cloth dresser

17 primrose rd

1881
William Gray
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Seaton Ross, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 1 Carr Square
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Cloth Dresser Unemployed

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Gray 60
Edwin Spencer Gray 23
William Gray 63

2 poss deaths

William Gray abt 1819 1888 Jan-Feb-Mar Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding
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William Gray abt 1818 1888 Jan-Feb-Mar Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire - West Riding


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1891
Caroline Gray
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Caroline Gray 70
Edwin Spencer Gray 31

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death
Record

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Name: Caroline Gray
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 72
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b

Take a look at the picture to see even more.

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Caroline Gray abt 1821 1893 Jan-Feb-Mar Leeds (1837-1929) Yorkshire -

It looks like the marriage I found was the right one, since the son on the 1881 census has Spencer for his middle name.

Kath. x

this birth cert would give you her moms maiden name

Ada Gray
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 23
Page: 525 (click to see others on page)

wonder if her mom was married twice. if the spencer marriage is right, as 1861 has a jane imeson as what looks like wifes mother

It could be either:-

1. Caroline who was married twice,

2. Caroline's mother was married twice,

3. Caroline was illegitimate and Spencer was her mother's maiden name and her mother married a Mr. Imeson after Caroline's birth.

Any of the above could account for the difference in names.

Kath. x

hmm always pays to think laterally....

I think the best thing would be to get the birth certificate for Ada as Jen suggested. Even if Caroline was married twice, her maiden name would be on the child's birth certificate.

Personally I think Spencer will be the maiden name for Caroline as you would hardly give your son by your second marriage the surname of your first husband as his middle name, would you???

Kath. x

Marriage

Matthew Imeson
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 23
Page: 268

possible wife Jane Spencer


1841 - down as Samson

Matthew Samton
[Matthew Samson]
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Hundred: Skyrack (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Kirkgate
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Samton 50
Joseph Samton 13
Matthew Samton 45 woolcomber
Stephen Samton 11
Thos Samton 8


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1343; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Leeds; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 36; Folio: 34; Page: 7; Line: 21; GSU roll: 464286.

living next door to

James Spencer
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Hundred: Skyrack (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: Kirkgate
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Spencer 12
James Spencer 25
John Spencer 15

Caroline is with them but is indexed separately

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1343; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Leeds; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 36; Folio: 35; Page: 8; Line: 1; GSU roll: 464286.

1851 this time Ineson

Jane Ineson
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790
Relation: Head
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South
ED, institution, or vessel: 3bb
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 95
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Ineson 61
Joseph Ineson 23 woolcomber
Thomas Ineson 18 mechanic
William Ineson 27 woolcomber


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2319; Folio: 889; Page: 25; GSU roll: 87542-87544.

I'd still get the cert to prove this but it gives you something to be looking at whilst waiting for it.

Andy

Hi Jen, Kathleen and Andy,
I am so thrilled at finding a speedy response to my query. Do you guys ever get any sleep? Ha! Thank you so so much for all the information. No doubt it will be extremely useful. I will take your advice and apply for a birth certificate. Now I'm not asking any of you to do this for me but can you tell me how do I do this as I live in Northern Ireland? Is there a specific GRO I should write to or can it be done on-line?
Again, many thanks to one and all for the help. I wish you all the best of luck in your own research.
Pauline

You can apply for certificates online at this address:-

www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates

The certificates will cost you £7 if you have the GRO reference numbers (which is what you've been given in earlier replies).

Make sure that when the online form asks "Is the full GRO reference known?" that you tick the "yes" box. If you leave it on "no" they will charge you more.

Kath. x

Hi Kathleen,
Thank you so much for the help and tips. You are a gem. I am really grateful. If there is any way I can return the favour just ask. I will give the certificate a go. This is so addictive isn't it? What about you, have you got far in your quest?
Best wishes,
Pauline

Hi Pauline,

You are more than welcome.

To be honest I'm not really doing any of my own family history just now. I started nearly 5 years ago just before my mother died, and I only really wanted to find out a couple of things.

1. Anything about my maternal grandmother with just a name and possible place of birth.

2. What happened to my paternal grandfather who left his wife and kids in the 1920's never to be seen again and just the vague mention from the family of Hastings.

I found lots of information about the rest of the family history (back to the late 1700's on my maiden name line) but it took me until last year to find out about my grandfather (thanks to Mr. Bristow of Hastings Library, to whom I'll always be indebted). Thanks also to a very elderly distant relative someone put me in touch with who gave me my grandmother's exact place of birth which made it possible for me to find her in the census, and then the rest of her family.

Once I'd found these two bits of information I felt as though I didn't need to go any further, although I must admit I became very addicted (especially to Genes) and I'm sure you will too.

Good luck,

Kath. x

Hi Kathleen,
I admire your patience and skill in your search. You are very lucky to have got back so far. I agree, the 1700's is plenty for anyone. Well done girl!

Can I ask one more thing? In all the info yourself and Jen quote, where do you get this info from? Jen has said there's a photo but I don't know where to look as there's no hyper link. I'm sure that you have plenty to keep you occupied so sorry for chipping away.
Regards,
Pauline

I'm not absolutely sure what Jen means about looking at the picture.

If you click on her name on her reply you can send her a personal message and ask her. It probably has something to do with whichever site she uses for her research.

Personally I would recommend a subscription to Ancestry as I couldn't have managed without it myself and it's what I use most for look-ups for other people. It sounds expensive at first but it works out at less than £1.50p per week and well worth it for the information it has, and for that you can use it 24 hours a day, every day of the year (and at first I was on almost that long, lol).

Kath. x