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Hi All,
I'm going round in circles trying to find my GG Grandfather in any census.
All I know of him is that he married in 1895 in St Olaves Southwark to Mary Kelly.
From the marriage certificate, I know that he was a French Polisher, he was 20 years old and his father was also named Joseph.
I have no idea where he was born.
Do you think I stand much chance of ever finding him in a census?
Any help/advice eagerly awaited.
Thank you.

What about children, did they have any by 1901?

Hi Carrie,
The first child that I know of wasn't born until 1906.

What was his father's occupation?

Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Angela

I was looking at this Joseph and although it says his occupation was a printer at the time, I noticed something spooky. His immediate next-door-neighbours are all french polishers.


1891 England Census
about Joseph Brown
Name: Joseph Brown
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke, London, England

Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Brown 20
Eliza Brown 52
Joseph Brown 62
Joseph Brown 17
Jenny Gould 21


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 231; Folio 78; Page 13; GSU roll: 6095341.




Deb:)

Hi Angela,
The father's occupation was Builders' Labourer.
The witnesses were E. Campion and Margaret Shanley.

Thanks Deb,
This one looks promising.

National Archives give 271 possibles for Joseph Brown b1875 +/- 2 but none with occupation of french polisher.

He could have been in the Boer War.

No middles names on marriage registration so that is no help.

Yes, he does Kim. I wonder if he went to work for them. Hang on, I'll have a look at his father's occ.


Deb:)



His father is a house decorator...................is that a labouring occupation?

1901 might match the 1891 posted


Name: Joseph Brown
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Amelia
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke, London, England

Civil Parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement City Road
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: compositor

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: City Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Amelia Brown 23
Amelia A L Brown 3
James A Brown 2 8 months
Joseph Brown 26
Joseph J Brown 2

Thank you for looking Glitter Baby.
I know these "challenging" ancestors are what keeps us on the ball, but I'm tearing my hair out with this lot!

Deb,
Yes, I suppose a House Decorator would be classed as a Labouring occupation.

Using search on NA for Joseph Brown born 1840-1850 occupation of house decorator gives two results

Joseph Brown 61 London Peckham London Hackney House Decorator

Joseph W Brown 52 London Kingsland London Lambeth House Decorator

Have you found any on 1881 with the same occupation?

Maureen

Just found another coincidence with the 1891. Four doors up is a family of Kellys. No Mary with them though.


Deb:)

1901 will post this one - do not know if worth following back

Name: Joseph W Brown
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann S
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsland, London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul West Brixton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
John Borrowdale 25
Albert H Brown 10
Alfred E Brown 13
Ann S Brown 50
Elizabeth S Brown 28
Ethel Min Brown 24
Harry A Brown 18
Jack C Brown 16
Joseph W Brown 52
Kate B Brown 9
Harry Cottey 40
Doris L Matthews 1
Edward Matthews 22
Lilian M Matthews 20

Thanks you all very much for your efforts.
Could I please ask one last favour?
Would someone mind having a look for Joseph and Mary on the 1901.
Mary was a year younger than Joseph and was born in Southwark.
Many thanks.

1901 post this one as well
Name: Joseph Brown
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Peckham, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 318
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth G Brown 36
Frances A Brown 25
Frank C Brown 19
Fredk G Brown 23
Harold G Brown 12
Joseph Brown 61
Lousia C Brown 32
Mary Ann Brown 59
Elizabeth Herring 86

1891 England Census
about Joseph W Brown
Name: Joseph W Brown
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann S
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsland, London, England

Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert H Brown 11/12
Alfred E Brown 3
Ann S Brown 40
Elizabeth S Brown 18
Ethel M Brown 13
Harry A Brown 7
John C Brown 5
Joseph S Brown 11<<<<<<<<<<<<< too young?
Joseph W Brown 42
Lilian M Brown 10
Thomas W Brown 16
Harry Colley 30

Debs,
Yes, too young on 1891. He was 20 in 1895 when he married.

Thanks to you all for your help.
It's very much appreciated.
Best Regards.