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hello, i have been trying for a long while to find a record of a george thrower's death. he was born norwich 1850 and married maria pratt 1878. on the 1891 census maria was shown as a widow. i know that he had a child in 1887/88. so that means he would have died some time between 1887/88 and 1891. i have checked death records and cannot find him. i have also been told that he left the house some time 1887/88. due to family troubles, so did maria just say she was a widow, and what happened to george. any help would be much appreciated. valerie

She well have hidden the fact that husband had left by calling herslef a widow.

Have you discounted this one ?

Deaths Sep 1915

Thrower George - 66 - Blything 4a 1011

1881 England Census
about George Thrower
Name: George Thrower
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Sprowston
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: Sidney Row
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Basket Maker

Registration district: St Faith'S
Sub-registration district: Sprowston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Thrower 30 Basket Maker
Maria Thrower 28
Mildred Martha Pratt 9
Rosa Thrower 1

That was the only reasonable one that I found, Michael.

But I can't find him on later censuses.

thanks for getting back to me, i didn't think it could be the blything one as it is not in norfolk. i have also checked the 1901 census and found a george thrower, blything with another family (unless he had another family). valerie

Do not forget that the death is where he was when he died, He mat have travelled,

This would be the George who died in 1915, in the 1901 census:

Name: George Thrower
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Matilda
Where born: Hulver, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Henstead
Town: Hulver Street
County/Island: Suffolk
Registration district: Blything

George Thrower 52
Matilda Thrower 50
Walter G Thrower 22
Annie E Thrower 11


and they're all there in 1881 in the same place

George Thrower 32 - gamekeeper
Matilda Thrower 30
Frederic Thrower 7
Herbert Thrower 5
Walter Thrower 2

so it looks like that death isn't him.


Oops, didn't notice Graham's narrative version of the same thing above.

I wouldn't confine searches to Norfolk. Someone deserting a family, as he may have done, might have travelled some distance. And changed his name ... remarried ...

yes i agree. i did think that maybe he went abroad as i couldn't find him, but i have not got a clue how to find him there. valerie.

I was just about to check at FMP. ;)

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action?

About the only findable possibility:

THROWER 1852 M 1892 London Australia Launceston

Launceston is in Tasmania.

There is a more vague and less likely (I'd think) one:

THROWER Unknown M 1917 London Gibraltar Gibraltar


Anyone with FMP access want to check details?

thanks for all your help so far, i will check in the morning to see if you have had any further luck with finding him. valerie.

First one

Dr THROWER
Date of departure: 17 August 1892
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Launceston, Australia
Passenger destination: Launceston, Australia

Date of Birth: 1852 (calculated from age)
Age: 40
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Medical
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 4


Second one


THROWER
Date of departure: 17 May 1917
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Gibraltar
Passenger destination: Gibraltar

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Stoker
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 4

thanks for all this information, but i don't think this is him, he was previously a basket maker. i just don't know where to go next in my hunt to find what happened to him. valerie.

thankyou all, for all this information you have found me. i have now found him after such along while. his death was under the name george thrower knapp. knapp being his mothers name. why o why didn't i look there before. thankyou all once again for all your help. valerie.

Aha. If *we* had known that, our collective brains might have come up with it. It's certainly something many of us have encountered before. I did say:

Someone deserting a family, as he may have done, might have travelled some distance. And *changed* his name ... remarried ...

For info:

Deaths Sep 1887
Knapp George Thrower 36 Forehoe 4b 117

If he did leave the family, he didn't survive long.

This is the 1891 household:

Maria Thrower 38
Mildred Martha Thrower 19
Rosa Thrower 11
Georgana Thrower 9
Horace George Thrower 4
Martha Thrower 3

so Martha is the youngest child you referred to. Have you found a record of her birth? I don't see one for her or Horace ... Just wondering whether the younger children might not be George's - ?

No, here's Horace:

Name: George Horace Thrower
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: St Faiths
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 104

... but no Martha.

And here's why:

Name: Mildred Martha Pratt
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: St Faiths
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 93

That's what I was suspecting.

She was Matilda Martha's daughter, not George and Maria's.

(It is possible that Maria might have had a child with another man before George's death and registered her under Maria's birth surname -- but not that she would have given her the same name as her eldest daughter, I think. ;) )

it is complicated, i believe mildred martha pratt might be the daughter of mildred martha pratt and the george thrower. i am now going to apply for his death cert. thanks for all this information. regards valerie

That was exactly what I was wondering, and I had wanted to mention how not unheard of that sort of thing was, but hadn't wanted to say out loud. (And still is today, unfortunately, particularly for stepdaughters as in this case.) It would certainly be one explanation for his leaving home, or being put out, right at that time.

thanks janeycanuck, as you stated it is not a thing to say out loud, that is why i am trying to find georges death certificate. you are so good at this and so quick at getting back to me. thanks again. regards valerie. (ps. i am very slow, even typing a message back) (pps. another question, perhaps you can tell me the cheapest place to order certificates from)

Most of us order certs from the General Register Office (GRO):

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

You can do it online. Make sure you enter the details carefully on the screens that will come up - Pick Death Cert from the list (don't give his age), then enter the details exactly as given on this thread, Surname, Forenames, say Yes you have got the GRO reference, Year of death, District (Farehoe), Quarter, Volume and Page. Cost £9.25.

You can also order from the local register office, cost should be around £9 plus postage, but check as some are more. The GRO is currently taking about 4 days to send, which is pretty good.

thanks for the message about cost of certificates, thankyou all once again for all your help. regards valerie.