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Emma White, born England 1832, emigrated to Aust with her parents (names unknown). Arrived Melbourne on steamer "Great Britain" in 1852 captained by her mother's sister's husband Captain BR Matthews(who later became harbourmaster at Williamstown). Emma married George Robbins Gliddon , born in London in 1825, in about 1860 in Victoria. He died in 1877. Children included Clara Louise, George Robbins, Mary Ann Emma, Gertrude Thyrza and Beatrice Bertha. They lived in South Australia. Emma died 23rd May 1900. Would love to know about her parents, siblings etc. and where she was born.
Elizabeth

Hi,

Do you know what the captains christian name and his wifes christian name.

Sal

Sorry, I don't.
Elizabeth

Elizabeth,
If you can hold of Emma's marriage certificate, that would give you her fathers name and occupation.

Regards Vera

At this stage I don't have that but will look into it.
elizabeth

I have googled Captain Matthews he apparently married Mary Ann Jemima White on 10 July 1826 in Stepney London. If this is the correct man and marriage Emma may have been illegitimate.

Will see if I can find any more.

Sal

I don't quite follow how that could be the case. Emma's aunt who married Captain Matthews wouldn't have had the surname White before she was married, she would have had the same maiden name as Emma's mother. What were the christian names of the Captain Matthews you have found?
Elizabeth

industry within Williamstown and locally important individuals such as Captain BR Mathews, Lieutenant WJ Panter, Captain Henry Press and Mrs. Margaret Press. (AHC criteria A4 and G1)
Aesthetically, they are significant as an early stone duplex of unusual construction, which is enhanced by later additions. (AHC criteria E1 and F1)
History
What were described as two six-room stone houses were built here in 1858 for the grantee, Captain Barnard Robert Mathews. (1) After accepting a tender in July 1858 from Charles Pinckney, builder of


http://vhd.heritage.vic.gov.au/places/heritage/15039<<<<< link to web page

Captain Matthews wife could have had maiden name White as could Emmas mother meaning Emmas mother was not married when she had Emma therefore Emma illegitimate.

This is why it needs further checking.

Sal

Hi Elizabeth.

Marriage Victoria.

WHITE, Emma CM 1030878 Marriage
Spouse: GLIDDON, George Robbins
Reg Year: 1858
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 408

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Victoria births:
GLIDDON, UnnamedFemale CB 759922 Birth
Father: George Robbins
Mother: White Emma
Event Place: Sth Yarra
Reg Year: 1858
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 15976

GLIDDON, Unnamed Female CB 759938 Birth
Father: George Robbins
Mother: White Emma
Event Place: Sandhurst
Reg Year: 1861
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 4646

South Australia:

Surname: GLIDDON
Given Names: Frederick Thomas
Date: 1863-03-04
Sex: M
Father: George Robbins GLIDDON
Mother: Emma WHITE
Birth Place/Residence: Queenstown
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 27
Page: 114
Cross Reference:

Surname: GLIDDON
Given Names: Kate Francis
Date: 1865-02-25
Sex: F
Father: George Robbins GLIDDON
Mother: Emma WHITE
Birth Place/Residence: Lefevre Peninsula
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 33
Page: 167
Cross Reference:

Surname: GLIDDON
Given Names: Mary Ann Emma
Date: 1868-07-16
Sex: F
Father: George Robbins GLIDDON
Mother: Emma WHITE
Birth Place/Residence: Portland Estate
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 64
Page: 477
Cross Reference:

Surname: GLIDDON
Given Names: Josephine Eugenie
Date: 1871-03-27
Sex: F
Father: George Robbins GLIDDON
Mother: Emma WHITE
Birth Place/Residence: Queenstown
District Code: PtA
Symbol:
Book: 93
Page: 322
Cross Reference:

Surname: GLIDDON
Given Names: Gertrude Thirza
Date: 1873-01-17
Sex: F
Father: George Robbins GLIDDON
Mother: Emma WHITE
Birth Place/Residence: Queenstown
District Code: PtA
Symbol:
Book: 116
Page: 443
Cross Reference:

Surname: GLIDDON
Given Names: Beatrice Bertha
Date: 1876-08-18
Sex: F
Father: George Robbins GLIDDON
Mother: Emma WHITE
Birth Place/Residence: Bath Lefevre Peninsula
District Code: PtA
Symbol:
Book: 170
Page: 87
Cross Reference:


Tony ( Victoria )

I see what you mean, but if that's the case the descendants were unaware of this. I have a copy of a letter written by Emma and George's son, also George, talking about his parents. He says he had been told Emma's parents came out to Australia with her but died shortly after arrival, and therefore nothing was known of them .
Elizabeth

I am sure there are endless possibilities Emmas mother could have married after she had Emma and everyone presumed he was Emmas father or her mother could have married someone with the same surname in which case she would have been Emma White mothers maiden name White.

I am still trying to see if I can work out which is the right Emma White.

Sal

Thanks, Tony. Interestingly there must be a mistake as the unnamed female born 1861 was in fact a male, George Robbins jnr born 22nd feb 1861, Bendigo.
I was unaware of Josephine- she must have died young, as did Frederick Thomas and Kate Francis.
Elizabeth

Thanks, Sal. I appreciate all your help. Hopefully the answers are coming!

Hi Elizabeth.

Yes...wouldnt surprise me at all ( Index entry error )

I had noticed a childs birth ( Irene Mary ) in 1888 in Victoria, with father George Robbins GLIDDON and mother Ida TYLEY....so figured one of the unnamed could be a male.

Only listed these as to give you a marriage date (1858 ) for Emma WHITE.....Ref Number: 408
As to purchase her marriage cert should give her parents names.

WHITE ---- MR - NOV 1852 GREAT BRITAIN B 016 003
WHITE ---- MRS - NOV 1852 GREAT BRITAIN B 016 003



Cheers
Tony ( Victoria )

Thanks again, Tony. Where do I go to view or purchase a marriage certificate for them. Can I view it on the web?
It's getting late - time for bed. I'll check any further answers in the morning.
I appreciate everyone's help so far.
Regards,
Elizabeth

Marriage certs can be ordered on-line ( Credit card ) and downloaded to your computer for the State of Victoria....at.

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home


If Emma WHITE was "of age" ( Adult ) when she married, it was not compulsary to give parents names on marriage cert.....but she "may" have.....Its a hit and miss situation.

Best of Luck.

Tony...:>))

Thanks, Tony. Can you get marriage certificates for other states or UK ordered on line and downloaded to the computer.?
Elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth.

Sorry...but i'm not familiar with U.K ..BDM's and whether you can download certs.... Not that i am aware of.

For here in Australia, i only know you can with the state of Victoria ( Historical records only ....for the years that fall before the Australian 100 year privacy act ), but might be worth checking the links to other States.

N.S.W....B.D.M's ( Some Free online search.)
'Click on Family history, follow links’
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/

VICTORIA..... B.D.M's Enquire: ( See Historical Search )
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home

SOUTH AUSTRALIA.....B.D.M's Enquire:
http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/bdm/

WESTERN AUSTRALIA..... B.D.M's ( Some Free online search.)
"Click" on Births,Deaths & Marriages...and then Family History
http://www.dotag.wa.gov.au/

QUEENSLAND..... B.D.M's
Queensland historical index search ( on line - see Family History Research )
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/

TASMANIA (nee VAN DIEMEN'S LAND )......B.D.M.'s....
http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm/



Tony ( Victoria )