Genealogy Chat

Well, of course I don't know what I don't know, unknown unknowns and all that ;-)

I have found "matching" trips, ie him going one way and then returning, except for the dates I mentioned. It's always possible that I have missed two matching trips somewhere, hence the unknown unknowns, but I know I have missed two in the date ranges I specified.

Another return to England in 1934 this time, also heading to 4 Moorgate Rd., London. (Perhaps you have all this? I haven't read through all 5 pages)

Arthur William Parr
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name:
Arthur William Parr
Birth Date:
abt 1895
Age:
39
Port of Departure:
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date:
10 Apr 1934
Port of Arrival:
Southampton, England
Ship Name:
Arlanza

Yes, that's him. He was working for Leach's in the Argentine. He arrived just in time to be recorded in the 1939 Register!

Is this AWP returning to England in 1939? He's heading to Leach's Argentine Estate, 4 Moorgate, E.C.2. Last permanent residence was Argentina. Future intended permanent residence was Foreign Country.


Arthur William Parr
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name:
Arthur William Parr
Birth Date:
abt 1895
Age:
44
Port of Departure:
New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date:
22 May 1939
Port of Arrival:
Southampton, England
Ship Name:
Almanzora

Well, things have moved on in the ensuing four years, patience is a virtue - or so they say!!

I think I've puzzled it out, largely thanks to finding my father AWP and Florence at the same address in the 1939 register. They were at Florence's sister's house and that makes it pretty well certain that Florence Alice Weston, born 9 April 1891, was the daughter of Charles Albert Weston & Alice Eades.

A newspaper cutting from the Daily Mirror January 1946 makes it clear that AWP had a relationship of 13 years with "Jane" in the Argentine but was not married to her. I've only been able to find the one report via UK Press Online, if anyone has access to archives of other papers I'd be grateful if you could find any further reports, please. The objective is to find any references to "Jane's" real name.

I think I have details of all the UK - Argentine crossings they made bar two:

There must have been one for AWP in 1943 when he returned from the Argentine to the UK to enlist.

There must (??) also be one for Florence after 1946 and before 1951 (both dates approximate).

The search for Florence is complicated somewhat (!) by variable names. On one of Florence's crossings, 1940, she claimed to be Winifred Parr, my father's first wife. In the Argentine she was Jane Parr. In the Electoral Registers after her return she was Frances A Weston.

Any help with tying up the loose ends would be very gratefully received!

Keith

(looking at 1911 image, it says No 7)

Chris :)

Yes, Chris, that is certainly the family, interesting that it's *77* Haverlock Road, it's either 7 or perhaps 71 on the cert! This has been a lesson (for me) in the (in)accuracy of records!

(Andrew on Cert?)

1911
WESTON, Andrew Head Married M 65 1846 Road Labourer Chilchester
WESTON, Mary Wife Married31 years F 55 1856 Bramley Hants
WESTON, Thomas Son Single M 29 1882 Carman Mortimer Westend Berks
WESTON, Fred Son Single M 14 1897 Errant Boy Hurst Berks
LEADBETTER, John Visitor Single M 49 1862 Carter Bramley Hants
RG number: RG14
Piece: 6614
Reference: RG14PN6614 RG78PN328 RD122 SD1 ED1 SN224
Registration District: Wokingham
Sub District: Wokingham
Enumeration District: 1
Parish: Wokingham
Address: 77 Haverlock Road Wokingham
County: Berkshire

1901
WESTON, Andrew Head Married M 53 1848 Labourer On Farm
Silchester, Hampshire
WESTON, Mary Wife Married F 42 1859
Framley, Hampshire
WESTON, Alfred Geo Son Single M 21 1880 Carter On Farm
Mortimer, Berkshire
WESTON, Thomas Son Single M 19 1882 Labourer On Farm
Mortimer, Berkshire
WESTON, Pheabo Jane Daughter F 11 1890
Silchester, Hampshire
WESTON, Florence Eliz Daughter F 6 1895
Hurst, Berkshire
WESTON, Fredrick Andrew Son M 4 1897
Hurst, Berkshire
Piece: 1155
Folio: 5
Page: 2
Registration District: Wokingham
Civil Parish: Wokingham Without
Municipal Borough:
Address: Embrook, Wokingham Without, Village
County: Berkshire

1891
WESTON, Andrew Head Married M 43 1848 Agricultural Labourer
Silchester, Hampshire
WESTON, Mary Wife Married F 34 1857
Bramley, Hampshire
WESTON, Alfred Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Mortimer, Berkshire
WESTON, Thos Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Mortimer Westend, Hampshire
WESTON, Annie Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Mortimer Westend, Hampshire
WESTON, Phoebe Daughter F 1 1890
Silchester, Hampshire
Piece: 959
Folio: 92
Page: 2
Registration District: Basingstoke
Civil Parish: Stratfieldsaye
Municipal Borough:
Address: New Street, Stratfieldsaye
County: Hampshire

Chris :)

yep, that's Leonard George Shurety, I think it's clear. Witnesses are Robert Henry Challis and Joseph Percy ... although if I were being perverse, I'd say Perez :-D

Looks pretty convincing to me too. That's brilliant, thank you!

For those (still) interested I have put the scan of the marriage certificate in dropbox, I hope the following links works ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/th30fu0u4k0p798/Sherretz%20Weston%201919.pdf

Please let me know if you can / can't read it.

And that, of course, still leaves me looking for a Florence (Jane) Weston, ideally with some connections to Woking(ham)!

BTW if anyone is able to add some sort of correction note about the marriage, eg on Ancestry, I'd be grateful. I'll try and put one on freeBMD.

I think that settles it, and in 1935 no less :-)

Name: Leonard George Shurety
Year: 1935
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Marylebone
Street Address: 14 Linhope Street


With Florence Elizabeth Shurety.

Name: Leonard Shurety
Year: 1921
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington and St Marylebone
Street Address: 13 Linhope Street


No other Shurety living there.

Name: Leonard Shurety
Year: 1925
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Marylebone
Street Address: 14 Linhope Street


With Florence Shurety.

you can feel free to post a scan on line and a link to it here, it would be interesting to see :-)

I know that in Scotland if a record you have paid for is not clear you can ask the register office to decipher it, can that be done in England ?

I now have a copy of the Weston - Sherretz marriage certificate, I am only slightly better informed ;-) The writing is pretty difficult to decipher and it is not improved by the photocopying process!

First off, try as I might I cannot make the name look like Shurety. The final letter closely matches the z in Elizabeth (but to be fair I can only find one "y" in the text for comparison purposes).

I wonder whether someone here might be able to help further with some of the other fields?

The groom's name is Leonard George Sherretz (as best as I can make it out) aged 25 in November 1925. His profession is hard to read but seems to be Coachman.

From now on I'm going to omit "it's hard to read but ..." as it's all hard to read, please take it as read ;-)

His address is given as 53 ...hope Street, London, my best guess would be Linhope Street, is / was there such a place?

His father is George Squiggle (smile), the She is pretty clear and there's a z close to the end! His occupation is given as Foreman G.A.O. General Agricultural something? General Accounting Office? It might just be G.R.O. but I think an A is more likely.

Florence Elizabeth Weston, also 25, spinster, gives her address as 7 Havelock Road Wokingham. Is there any way of finding out who lived there in 1919 - no electoral rolls I think as weren't they suspended during the war? Her father's name is Andrew (confirmed by C1901). His occupation looks like Labourer.

Witnesses are Robert something Challis, and Joseph Something - where this Something ends in y.

Well, there you have it. Anyone up for a bit of detective work?

BTW I don't know if it's allowed / encouraged / frowned upon, but I could scan the certificate and make it available on eg Dropbox for decoding purposes, anyone have any thoughts / advice on that please?

So that's a pretty narrow window between 1924 and the 1930 sailing ... During which time there's a chance we might find a Florence (Jane) Weston, and if that happened to be in Woking(ham) ...

Unfortunately the address associated with the 1930 sailing (112 Savernake Road London NW3) turns out to be a transit address.

sorry I don't have electoral roll access

By the time women could vote a woman born about 1894 would very likely have been married so not knowing whether your Florence was a Weston by birth or marriage doesn't help ...

(the vote for some women over 30 in 1918, all women over 21 in 1928)

Can you help on the Electoral Rolls question? I would have thought that Florence would have shown up somewhere ...

The closest I've come is a Florence White who married an Albert Weston in 1912 in Oxford :-)

There is a Florence White born abt 1892 in New Hinksey Oxfordshire living in Headington in 1911 who is the niece of Charles Weston who has a son Albert Weston, so I think that's the Florence White in question. Which tells us nothing ...