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Please can someone help, I have just received my Aunts B/Cert only to find she had a different father from my dad and his other siblings.
Her name is Jose Vivienne Marguerite Simms Born, 12/09/1929 Royal Victoria Hosp,Boscombe. Bournemouth.
Father George William Simms he lived with my Gran at 143 Southcote Road Bournemouth. Tried Census no luck.
dont know were to go from here. Any ideas please

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George William Simms
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: George William Simms
Registration Year: 1886
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 120

SIMMS, GEORGE WILLIAM mms LABBETT
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 120

Unfortunately, it's not exactly an uncommon name.


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George William Simms
in the UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: George William Simms
Publication Year: 1920
Address: 44 Shirley
Residence Place: Hampshire, England

44 Shirley Road, Freemantle, Southampton.

From FMP reg as both Sims ( one M) and Butt, mmn Robinson.

fathers name butt

Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
Butt Jose V M Robinson Bournemouth 2b 909

Caz - please confirm the spelling on the birth cert.
Does it give his occupation?


If only one "m", there's this one, in Fordingbridge in1911,not far from Bournemouth - but 1911 is a long time away from 1929!:



George William Sims
in the 1911 England Census
Name: George William Sims
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Plymouth, Devonshire, England
Civil Parish: Fordingbridge
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: County Court Office, Church Street, Fordingbridge, Hants
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Assistant Schoolmaster
Registration district: Fordingbridge
Registration District Number: 97
Sub-registration district: Fordingbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 177
Piece: 5898
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Wren 39
Charlotte Ann Wren 40
George William Sims 26


But frankly, it's a bit of a needle in a haystack without any more clues.

Malyon, thanks for reply it seems strange i have Jose birth cert with surname Simms but she is also showing as Jose v m Butt with mothers name (nee) Robinson?

was your gran called Marjorie L robinson

ArgyllGran, on B/Cert shows him as a Boatman

there is this marriage


Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
BUTT Ernest W Robinson Christchurch 2b 1772
ROBINSON Marjorie L Butt Christchurch 2b 1772

Malyon yes thats her mothers maiden name

ArgyllGran on birth cert Simms

Not strange to have Jose's birth under two surnames - Butt is her mother's surname, and Sims is her father's surname.

Gran married Ernest Wilson Butt, 19/08/1922

Boatman - oh well, not the teacher, then!

so ernest butt was the father

Jose Butt (Woodsward)'s life in 1939 (should read Woodward)
Perry Green, Braughing R.D., Hertfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Jose Butt (Woodsward) 12 Sep 1929 Female At School Single 1 191

Butt was your grandmother's legal name, and therefore any child born to her would have that name whether or not Ernest Butt was the father.

She was being honest in admitting on the certificate that George William Sim(s) was the father.

If she had not said that then Ernest would have been assumed to be the father ........... and you would never have known otherwise.


It might be interesting to find out where Ernest was ............. had the marriage broken up?

I was puzzled by the fact that Jose was seemingly on her own on that 1939 Register, so I looked more closely ............ I had to go back to page 1 of 5 to discover the following .........

Jose was apparently at St Elizabeth's House for Epileptics, Perry Green, Much Hadham, Herts.


Does that make any sense to you???????

She went to Canada in 1953 and returned in 1959;

Jose V Butt
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Jose V Butt
Arrival Age: 29
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1929
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 26 Jul 1959
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Arkadia
Shipping Line: Greek Line
Official Number: 0247/60

She was a seamstress.

In view of your last post, Sylvia, it's interesting that her proposed address was Warley Hospital, Brentwood, Essex.

Warley Hospital was a hospital for the mentally ill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warley_Hospital


When she went to Canada in 1953 her address had been 6 Warrington Gdns, London W9.

Jose Butt
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Jose Butt
Gender: Female
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1929
Departure Date: 17 Oct 1953
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Columbia
Shipping Line: Greek Line
Official Number: 5106
Master: Demetrios Sigalas

St Elizabeth's:

https://www.stelizabeths.org.uk/about-us/about-st-elizabeths/history-of-st-elizabeths/