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nameslessone

nameslessone Report 4 Dec 2022 14:25

Although it won’t explain why you can’t find Florence in the 1939 if George signed up for WW11 at the earliest possible he could be in barracks and therefore not on the 1939

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Dec 2022 16:41

Is this the George you are assuming was Florence's husband?

George Mathieson
 in the UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: George Mathieson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1887
Birth Place: Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Age: 19
Document Year: 1906
Regimental Number: 769
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 4
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
George Mathieson Self (Head)
Robert Mathieson Father

That man was in the RAMC.

Painter and decorator by occupation in 1906. <<<<<<<<<<
Florence's husband was a house painter and decorator in 1921 Census.<<<<<<<<<

George Mathieson
 in the 1911 England Census
Name: George Mathieson
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birth Place: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Civil Parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Mcgregor Barracks, Stanhope Lines, Aldershot
Marital status: Single
Rank: Private
Military Unit: Royal Army Medical Corps
Registration District Number: 34
Sub-registration District: Aldershot
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 3123


There is no matching birth in Scotland.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Dec 2022 17:54

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George Mathieson
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: George Mathieson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Mathieson
Mother's Name: Jane Mathieson
Gender: Male
Where born: Maryhill, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 34 Nelson St West
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 34
Household schedule number: 111
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1901_198
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Robert Mathieson 53 Head - painter and decorator
Jane Mathieson 41 Wife
George Mathieson 13 Son


George Mathieson
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: George Mathieson
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Mathieson
Mother's Name: Jane Mathieson
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 34 Nelson St
ED: 34
Household schedule number: 152
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1891_183
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Robert Mathieson 43 Head - house painter
Jane Mathieson 41 Wife - Irvine, Ayrshire
George Mathieson 4 Son
Marion Black 33 Sister-in-law


Robert Mathieson
in the Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910
Name: Robert Mathieson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 29 Nov 1872
Marriage Place: Irvine, Ayr, Scotland
Spouse: Janie Maitland
FHL Film Number: 300230

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Dec 2022 20:30



1921 Census Of England & Wales
43 Bush Street, Chatham, Kent, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
George Mathewson Head
Male 1888 32 Greenock, Scotland House Painter & Decorator Borstol Institution Borstal
Florence Mary Mathewson Wife
Female 1895 25 Chatham, Kent, England Housewife -
George Sydney Mathewson Son
Male 1917 3 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England - -
Robert Mathewson Son
Male 1919 1 Chatham, Kent, England - -

alviegal

alviegal Report 4 Dec 2022 20:42

Marriage of the WRONG FMB

June 5, at the parish church Eastleigh, by the Rev. Canon J. Gordon Crowdy. John Young. L. and S.W.R., Eastleigh. to Florence Mary Batt., the Gables, Winchester.
16 June 1917 - Hampshire Independent - Southampton, Hampshire, England

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 4 Dec 2022 21:15

Keith has already told us that this is the wrong Florence

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Dec 2022 22:07

Re the George Mathieson in 1891 and 1901 censuses above -

there's another George Mathieson:

George Mathieson
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: George Mathieson
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Robert Mathieson
Mother's Name: Robina Mathieson
Gender: Male
Where born: Renfrew, renfrewsh
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock East
Civil parish: Greenock East
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 22 St Lawrence St
Occupation: Message Boy
ED: 32
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1901_194
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Robert Mathieson 45 Head - brass finisher
Robina Mathieson 42 Wife
George Mathieson 14 Son
Mary Mathieson 13 Daur (Daughter)
Jessie Mathieson 7 Daur (Daughter)
Walter Mathieson 2 Son


However, the one with mother Jane seems the more likely to be Florence's husband, as his father Robert was a painter and decorator too.
Also, that Robert's father was named Lawrence/Laurence, which could account for George & Florence's son Laurence Thomas's name.

alviegal

alviegal Report 5 Dec 2022 13:50

Kent Burials
Strood, Old & Cuxton Road Cemeteries, Kent, England
Transcript of George's record
First name(s)  George
County  Kent
Last name  Mathieson
Country  England
Sex  Male
Grave reference  Section U Grave No. 188 (C)
Birth year  1887
Notes  Entry 7482
Age at death  53
Record source  Strood, Kent, Cuxton Road Cemetery burials 1883-2005
Burial year  1940
Record set  Kent Burials
Burial date  05 Nov 1940
Category  Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Occupation  Painter & decorator
Subcategory  Civil Deaths & Burials
Death place  Died at 5 Martin Rd, Strood. Removed from Wykeham St, Strood.
Collections from  England, Great Britain


Florence May Barrett in 1950
Kent Burials
Strood, Old & Cuxton Road Cemeteries, Kent, England
Transcript of Florence May's record
First name(s)  Florence May
County  Kent
Last name  Barrett
Country  England
Sex  Female
Grave reference  Section U Grave No. 188 (C)
Birth year  1895
Notes  Entry 903
Age at death  55
Record source  Strood, Kent, Cuxton Road Cemetery burials 1883-2005
Burial year  1950
Record set  Kent Burials
Burial date  06 Feb 1950
Category  Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Occupation  Housewife
Subcategory  Civil Deaths & Burials
Death place  Died at St Bart's Hospital Rochester. Removed from Strood.
Collections from  England, Great Britain
Place  Strood, Old & Cuxton Road Cemeteries
 

KeithG

KeithG Report 23 Dec 2022 16:40

The certificates arrived this morning. They confirm a) Florence's father as Thomas and that he was a stoker which matches, b) that the Barrett marriage was indeed Florence's second marriage, and c) that her middle name was clearly Mary (and not May) on both certificates.
Thank you, yet again, ArgyllGran, that gives me some further leads to follow up.