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Hi, I'm trying to trace the parents of Thomas Henry O'Hare born in 1862 in Huddersfield. He married Ruth Asquith who was born in 1860 in Bradford.
They had 6 children: Mary Louisa, John Asquith, Sarah, Amy, Lucy and William Herbert.
Thanks.
Karin.

His father, if he knew him, will be named on the man’s marriage cert

Have you checked the GRO site to determine whether his birth was registered?

MMN is on births on GRO

He was born in 1861…..find the info on the GRO site..then look for marriage of parents

Thanks, will look into that.

Eric

I found him in the 1871 census living with his parents Thomas and Mary (Thomas Senior was born in Ireland). I would attach it but I have no idea how - or even if I can.

The name has been mistranscribed as Ottare, so if you do a search on your chosen site look out for this.

That's great information, thank you!

Duncan

Simply C&P the transcription to the thread

Ancestry's mistranscribed version - an Ancestry user has submitted a correction:

Thomas H Ottare
in the 1871 England Census
Name Thomas H Ottare [O'Hare]
Age 9
Estimated Birth Year 1862
Relation Son
Gender Male
Where born Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Clifton and Hartshead
Town Clifton
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district Halifax
Sub-registration district Brighouse
ED, institution, or vessel 11
Household schedule number 59
Piece 4387
Folio 11
Page number 16
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Ottare 47 Head - Ireland
Mary Ottare 40 Wife - Malton, Yorkshire
Thomas H Ottare 9 Son
Arthur A Ottare 3 Son - Huddersfield
John M Ottare 2/12 Son - Hartshead Moor, Yorkshire.

The parents in 1861:

Thomas Ohare
in the 1861 England Census
Name Thomas Ohare
Gender Male
Age 37
Relation Head
Estimated Birth Year 1824
Spouse's Name Mary Ohare
Where born Newry, Ireland <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil parish Huddersfield
Ecclesiastical parish St John
Town Huddersfield
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district Huddersfield
Sub-registration district Huddersfield
ED, institution, or vessel 25
Neighbors
Household schedule number 17
Piece 3266
Folio 28
Page number 4
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Ohare 37 Head
Mary Ohare 30 Wife


The father in 1851:

Thomas Ohere
in the 1851 England Census
Name Thomas Ohere
Age 26
Estimated Birth Year abt 1825
Relation Lodger
Gender Male
Where born Ireland
Civil parish Huddersfield
Town Huddersfield
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district Huddersfield
Sub-registration district Huddersfield
ED, institution, or vessel 17
Neighbors
Household schedule number 63
Piece 2295
Folio 426
Page number 22
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Sarah Stead 70 Head
Ann Stead 40 Daughter
Mary Stead 11 Granddaughter
Ann Wood 10 Granddaughter
Thomas Ohere 26 Lodger
Thomas Wrigley 34 Lodger
Ellen Wrigley 28 Lodger
Mary Balderson 27 Lodger
Henry Walker 30 Lodger
Ann Walker 31 Lodger

1861 is the only census to specify where in Ireland Thomas senior was born - assuming that's correct!

However, we don't know which Newry -
Newry, Co. Wicklow; Newry, Tyrone; or Newry, Armagh (aka Mourne & Down).

There are these two baptisms, but both later than 1824-5.

Thomas O'Hare
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name Thomas O'Hare
Baptism Age 0
Event Type Baptism
Birth Date 1827
Baptism Date 30 May 1827
Baptism Place Newry, Down and Armagh, Ireland
Diocese Dromore
Father Morley O'Hare
Mother Catharine O'Hare


Thomas O'Hare
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name Thomas O'Hare
Baptism Age 0
Event Type Baptism
Birth Date 1828
Baptism Date 9 Nov 1828
Baptism Place Newry, Down and Armagh, Ireland
Diocese Dromore
Father Mary O'Hare [Michael O'Hare on image . Correction submitted.]
Mother Mary Tooley

Thomas and Mary's marriage:

Mary Anderson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name Mary Anderson
Registration Year 1859 [1859]
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Huddersfield
Inferred County Yorkshire West Riding
Volume 9a
Page 405
Records on Page (Name)
Thomas O'Hare
Mary Anderson


Thomas junior's birth:

O'HARE, THOMAS HENRY mmn ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 328

Mary in 1851:

Mary Anderson
in the 1851 England Census
Name Mary Anderson
Age 21
Estimated Birth Year abt 1830
Relation Servant
Gender Female
Where born Cassell Clevan Malton & Hull Faherin Dorce Malton, Yorkshire, England **
Civil parish Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish Little London
Town Leeds
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district Leeds
Sub-registration district West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel 07g
Neighbors
Household schedule number 100
Piece 2321
Folio 1020
Page number 24
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Wilson 50 Head
Elisabeth Wilson 56 Wife
Henry Wilson 19 Son
Herbert Wilson 18 Son
Lucy Wilson 17 Daughter
Arthur Wilson 16 Son
Edmund Wilson 12 Son
Kenneth Wilson 3 Son
Hannah Boyes 25 Servant
Mary Anderson 21 Servant

**
The words transcribed as her birthplace actually read:
" [something something] between Malton & Hull. Father's residence Malton."

Wow! Thank you all so much for this information, much appreciated!

????

Mary Anderson
Vital • England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Mary Anderson
Sex Female
Father's Name Richard Anderson
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Ann
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
Event Date 23 Mar 1831
Event Place New Malton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Saint Leonard, New Malton, York, England
Mary Anderson's Parents and Siblings
Richard Anderson Father M
Ann Mother F

??? The father in Malton in 1851, as per "birthplace" wording for Mary in 1851 ??

With a second wife, presumably.

Richard Anderson
in the 1851 England Census
Name Richard Anderson
Age 61
Estimated Birth Year abt 1790
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Sarah Anderson
Gender Male
Where born New Malton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Malton St Leonard
Town New Malton
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district Malton
Sub-registration district Rillington
ED, institution, or vessel 3b
Neighbors
Household schedule number 19
Piece 2369
Folio 397
Page number 5
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Richard Anderson 61 Head - waterman
Sarah Anderson 37 Wife
Frank Anderson 10 Son
Henry Anderson 7 Son
John Anderson 32 Son - waterman


The whole family born in New Malton.

Richard's second marriage:

Richard Anderson
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name Richard Anderson
Gender Male
Marriage Date 11 Dec 1837
Marriage Place St. Michael, New Malton, York, England
Father Francis Glover
Spouse Sarah Wray
FHL Film Number 1068382
Reference ID item 1


Richard Anderson
in the York, Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1936
Name Richard Anderson
Marital Status Widowed
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 10 Dec 1837
Marriage Place New Malton, St Michael, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears St. Michael, Malton
Father Fracis Eleor [Francis Glover , waterman]
Spouse Sarah Wraz [ Wray ]

Thomas and Mary's children

Births

O'HARE, TOM ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 330

O'HARE, THOMAS HENRY ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 328

O'HARE, MARY AGNES ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 356

O'HARE, ALICE ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 309

O'HARE, ARTHUR ANDERSON ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 330

O'HARE, MARY ANN ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 314

O'HARE, JOHN MICHAEL ANDERSON
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 409


and Deaths

O'HARE, TOM 0
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 224

O'HARE, MARY AGNES 0
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 245

O'HARE, ALICE 0
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD Volume 09A Page 226

O'HARE, MARY ANN 0
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in HALIFAX Volume 09A Page 305

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hartsmoor Road, Clifton, Halifax, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
View original record
Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas O'Hare Head
Married Male 57 1824 Carrier Ireland
Mary O'Hare Wife
Married Female 50 1831 - Malton, Yorkshire, England
Arthur A O'Hare Son
Single Male 13 1868 Coal hurrier Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
John M O'Hare Son
Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Yorkshire, England

Thank you for all that information.
Just a quick question, I have signed up with GRO and found a registered birth for another person I am researching. I found Irene Ward born 1913 in North Bierley and it gives the MMN as Smith. I can't see the actual document without paying.
I'm doing this research for my neighbour and he won't pay.
Is this normally all the information you can see or am I missing something.
Thanks again for all your help.

Yes, in this instance, that's all you can see without buying the birth cert.

Sometimes images are viewable on Ancestry, FMP, etc - but not often for such a relatively "recent" event, and not in this case.

Sometimes people upload images of certs to their trees on Ancestry or elsewhere, but although Irene is on three trees on Ancestry, nobody has uploaded that cert, unfortunately.