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Thank you to everyone who has helped me on this request it is most appreciated some things are now a bit clearer but looks as though i have got a bit more research to do thanks again.

PM sent asking Lea to return . OPENED yesterday

From everything found so far, I too would be inclined to think that Margery was Lea's Marion.

There seems to be no sign of Margery Davies after 1927.

It's odd that her birthplace is unknown in 1911. If she was brought up by nuns, as suggested in another thread, surely they would have known where she was born -
unless perhaps she was a foundling - and if she had gone from the nuns to the Davieses, one would expect that info to have been passed on.

And IF she's the same person, why she would change her name to Harvey is a mystery.

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Warrington Road, Cronton, Lancashire, England

Louis Christopher Warrall Head Male 1871 50 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Tool Maker Bell Pliers Own Account
Teresa Warrall Wife Female 1871 49 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Lydia Georgina Warrall Daughter Female 1897 23 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Thomas Warrall Son Male 1904 16 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Tool Maker Bell Pliers Own Account
Elizabeth Mary Warrall Daughter Female 1907 14 Lancaster, Lancashire, England - -

Typical FMP............NONE of the above were born in Lancaster. ALL bar the mother were born in CRONTON
Their transcribers for this census were absolutely dreadful

From one of the old threads

pm from Lea:

"Thanks for your input on helping me trace details of my wifes grandmother there is no father shown on the marriage certificate which was on 14 april 1928 at st bedes catholic church appleton widnes in the district of prescot she died 17 march 1974 in widnes any more ideas would be appreciated as i am quite new to this"

Interesting that the Davies family were also RC

Later post..................

The witnesses were joseph locke and edith a boyle and i cant seem to get into the electoral register to check 53 moon st perhaps someone can help me please

I've responded already on here about the Moon Street family in 1921.....here is the transcription

1921 Census Of England & Wales
53, Moon Street, Widnes, Lancashire, England
Richard Hughes Head Male 1880 41 Wales Labouer Chamical J B Johnson
Emily Hughes Wife Female 1879 41 Widnes, Lancashire, England - -
Richard Hughes Son Male 1908 13 Widnes, Lancashire, England - -
Joseph Hughes Son Male 1912 8 Widnes, Lancashire, England - -
Charles Hughes Son Male 1914 6 Widnes, Lancashire, England - -
Phyllis Hughes Daughter Female 1921 - Widnes, Lancashire, England

Lea -
I know you have Marion's marriage cert.

Does it give her father's name?

You were asked that on another thread but didn't answer - unless I've missed it.

Name Rachel Elizabeth Davis
Gender Female
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 17 Feb 1912
Marriage Church St Maries-Widnos
Marriage Place Appleton, Lancashire, England
Mother Davis
Spouse Franciscus Philips

Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)
Davies Rachel E Phillips Prescot 8b 897
Phillips Frank Davies Prescot 8b 897


Name R. E. Phillips
[R. E. Davies]
Gender Female
Residence Place Widnes
Death Date Abt 1927
Obituary Date 18 Mar 1927
Obituary Place Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Newspaper Title Runcorn Weekly News and District Reporter
Father W. H. Davies
Spouse F. Philips

This is why there is no reference to her in the mother's funeral report

T Worral was a bearer (of the coffin) and Tom Worral sent a wreath

She had been ill for some time and died at her parents' home



1921 Census Of England & Wales
15, Christie Street, Widnes, Lancashire, England

Francis Phillips Head Male 1885 36 Widnes, Lancashire, England Pipe Fitter, Out Of Work United Alkali Co, Pilkington Sullivan Works
Rachel Elizabeth Phillips Wife Female 1888 33 Widnes, Lancashire, England Home Duties -
Eileen Phillips Daughter Female 1912 9 Widnes, Lancashire, England - -
Frances Phillips Daughter Female 1919 2 Widnes, Lancashire, England - -
Norman Gerard Phillips Son Male 1921 - Widnes, Lancashire, England -

Lea

If you return to this thread may I ask you - please - not to post any more. Respond on here, and monitor this one for any future posts.

Multiple threads on the same subject cause confusion - at best.

The full report of the funeral lists all the family mourners, plus some un-related, and a list of senders of floral tributes.

NO mention of the surname HARVEY anywhere in the report....although T WORRALL of Cronton was in attendance.

I can't help wondering about the adopted daughter on 1911 census ........................not that there is any way of finding her birth :-( :-(

Image of small ad 1st August shows address as 11a................as surmised by AG

1911 Census For England & Wales
63 Albert Road Widnes, Widnes, Lancashire & Cheshire, England

William Henry Davies Head Married Male 45 1866 Chemical foreman over processing Blackburn
Rachel Elizabeth Davies Wife Married Female 41 1870 Sweet shop Widnes
Rachel Elizabeth Davies Daughter Single Female 22 1889 Assistant Widnes
Marjory Davies Adopted daughter - Female 9 1902 School Not Known

1921 Census Of England & Wales
11, Peel House Lane, Widnes, Lancashire, England

William Henry Davies Head Male 1865 56 Widnes, Lancashire, England Sulphery Plant Procer Foreman United Alkali Works United Alkali Co Chemical Manufacturer Of Work Muspratt Dock
Rachel Davies Wife Female 1869 51 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Shop Keeper 11 A Peel House Lane Own Account

Did she also sell clothes - or is this another R Davies??


... KNITTED Costumes, all oolours. Pm** to suit everybody. Children's Overal:R. at Mrs. R. Davies, ha Peelhouse lane, Widnes.
Published: Friday 01 August 1924
Newspaper: Runcorn Weekly News


[ "ha" is probably computer mistranscription of 11a.]

... Davies's Drapery Club. Pay what you like, choose what you like. Choice *election of knitting silt Peelhouse lane, %ulnas elO-10 ...
Published: Friday 10 October 1924
Newspaper: Runcorn Weekly News

MRS. R. DAVIES, WIDNES. The death occurred on Friday last week of Mrs. Rachel Davies (57), wife of Mr. William Henry Davies, of 11a, Peelhouse Lane. The deceased lady was in business as a high-class confectioner, and her passing came as a great shock to her many friends. For many years she was connected with the Widnes branch of the Women's Conservative Association. The funeral was at the Borough Cemetery on Monday, and the last rites were conducted by the Rev. Father Adamson. The mourners were Mr. W. R. Davies, husband; Margery; Mr. Frank Phillips. son-in-law [I can't see any more without a sub ]
Published: Friday 26 August 1927
Newspaper: Runcorn Weekly News
County: Cheshire, England



ACKNOWLEDGMENTS

... Widnes. DAVIES. Mr. W. R. Davies and Margery desire to thank all relatives, friends, and neightimrs for their kind expressions of sympathy and the beautiful floral tributes received during their recent sad bereavement: also Dr. Nelson and ...
Published: Friday 26 August 1927
Newspaper: Runcorn Weekly News

In 1921, 53, Moon Street was occupied by the Hughes family

Local newspapers may give some information on the shop, but ir is unlikley that anyone would have rthe staff records from so long ago.

So many posts ...........not going to plough through them all

For INFO

1939 Register
Warrington Road, Cronton, Whiston R.D., Lancashire, England
Thomas Worrall 06 Oct 1904 Male Toolmaker (Fliers & N? ) Married 73 1
Marion M Worrall 25 Mar 1902 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 73 2
Marion T Worrall 25 Sep 1929 Female At School Single 73 3
Elizabeth D Dutton (Lankshear,Worrall) 19 Mar 1934 Female At School Single 73 4

From the old thread...............

I am trying to find info for my wife who was the persons grandaughter. marion marguerite was born in march 1902 married a thomas worrall from cronton in april 1928 at the time she was living at 53 moon street widnes she died in 1974 marion was adopted either at birth or soon after,i seem to have hit a dead end regarding research ,so if any body has any more info it would be appreciated especially if anyone remembers the moon st address and who else lived there at the time.

Someone else's post from the GR link I posted above:

"marion marguerite was born in march 1902 married a thomas worrall from cronton in april 1928 at the time she was living at 53 moon street widnes she died in 1974 marion was adopted either at birth or soon after,"

Impossible to find her birth, which would have been in a different name.

No record of a woman of that name in the area in 1921

What else do you know about her? Any documented facts?

Peel House Lane on census records…….not Peelhouse, if anyone is looking