General Chat

Never judge a lady/gentleman by the manufacture's name on the clutch bag being carried. ;-)

I have always thought it strange that women should carry handbags when it is young men who need them more!

Sort of remember from a long time ago

the norm for skirts was, in one school,

the girl was to kneel on the floor and the hem of the skirt MUST be on the floor........

Your granddaughter is right to be outraged.

The school needs to address the attitude and behaviour of the boys not be blaming the girls.

Different thing altogether if it was a uniform issue. But to tell them short skirts are banned because the boys can't control themselves is sexist.

That's as bad as saying a woman was asking to be raped by wearing a short skirt. Ludicrous. Men just need to learn to control themselves.

It sounds as if the teacher has a one-tracked mind, unless it was meant as a joke ;-)
It will be wonderful if she can keep the primary school friendships going. That way there'll lays be someone looking out for her.

The 'sex education' and 'citizenship' classes are in the main conducted without emotion. The 'how' covered in Biology/science, the emotion, prevention and other aspects in Citizenship. Can't say I noticed any wriggling going on, nor red faces.

Same with choosing the wrong words, but then perhaps they 'kept it clean' while I was in earshot :-D

Det, your comment:
Maggie, you see to be missing the point. If an adolescent male is sexually attracted to a girl, however fleetingly, his body is going to react. To put it bluntly, he is going to have an involuntary erection!

They get one if you say the 'wrong' thing too!

...so we should all be careful what we say to adolescent boys - and should they really have sex education lessons between the age of 12 and 16? This must cause them an incredible amount of discomfort!!
:-D

Grand daughter has mainly male friends - has had many of these friends since primary school. She was discussing a project to one in class, during a paired group activity when the teacher told her to 'stop talking to her boyfriend!!' Grand daughter explained he wasn't her 'boyfriend', they were doing the project together, whereupon the teacher told her she 'should have chosen another girl to do the project with'. :-S :-S

You almost grow nostalgic for the old days when a home had one functional bathroom with a sink, a toilet and a bath – and that was a huge step up from the outside loo and the tin bath in front of the open fire, filled with hot water from the kettle, on a Saturday night.

Dermot - those headache inducing sprays are to disguise the pong. With indoor plumbing and copious amounts of hot water, the youth of today try their hardest to shower themselves away down the plug hole :-D

I can't see how facial mfluff or tissue papered cuts is going to attract teenage girls, but then, that was a long time ago :-D

A Turkish male view:

http://time.com/3718618/turkey-men-miniskirts-ozgecan-aslan/

Bob, how are short skirts an indication that a female is a 'lady of the night?' They've been something every young person has worn on and off since the 1960's.
Did you really think every young girl walking down the road in a mini skirt in the 1960's was available for hire?

Surely leggings (with no suitable longish covering) show a lot more.

Dermot :-D

I'm not saying the short skirts look appealing, neither am I saying the boys' 'products' smell particularly nice, it just seems par for the course for adolescents.
When I was young, the 'product' was Brut, which made me sneeze and retch.

I spent quite a lot of time at grammar school with a runny nose......
Which, of curse, affected my education!!!

Agreed Rollo although a mixed gender school does help them be more comfortable with the opposite sex.

Maggie, you see to be missing the point. If an adolescent male is sexually attracted to a girl, however fleetingly, his body is going to react. To put it bluntly, he is going to have an involuntary erection!

It's only considerate for his female peers to dress in such away as to limit that possibility. If your Gd was singled out because of the length of her skirt/sizing, then that is an entirely different matter which her mother should take up with the school. Could someone make one for her?

Those of us who've worked with teenagers know they develop at different rates. Go into any secondary school and within year 7 & 8 there'll be some girls who have make up an inch thick ( often orange!) dressing like their much older sisters. There will also be others for whom boys are still Yuk and who find becoming a woman a nuisance. They won't even be aware that their appearance in a few months could have a detrimental effect on adolescent boys.

Coming back to Rollo's point. If the genders were segregated in to different schools, then there wouldn't be this day-to-day problem. On the other hand mixed sex schools help to make both socially comfortable with the opposite sex. Single sex v mixed classes/teaching is a different matter. :-)

The Undertones may have famously believed that teenage dreams are hard to beat – but teenage smells are a different matter altogether. If you power-hosed them several times a day & scrubbed them raw with carbolic soap, the unbeatable powers of galloping male hormones would still render your fight a futile one.

My own mum always had great faith in the carbolic. But then, she ensured that all our clothes were well aired while it hung-out in the back garden in that lovely fresh air that exists only in the West of Ireland. She did not depend entirely on a tumble dryer - too costly and, in any case, she didn't possess one!

But the natural smell of a male teenager is a pungent cocktail of stale sweat and Lynx, an antiperspirant spray that purports to smell of Africa, Vice or Dark Temptation – whatever they might be. David Attenborough's TV programmes taught me much about Africa & its wild life but, of course, I know nothing of 'vice' or 'dark temptations' despite the Devil's misleading ideas being subtly planted in my sub-conscience.

Thankfully, my mind is already bulging to the rafters with other mondaying stuff. And you will notice that I'm staying clear of the young ladies on this occasion, not having too much to do with them till I started shaving. That was a dramatic event, I'm telling you - the first wet shave I mean, blood everywhere. Scarface!

When hormones are doing what they do at that age it probably would be better to keep them all seperate in darkened rooms!

Sounds like your grand daughter is sensible and secure but it was probably those who are not who were being advised. Some of them do send out subliminal invitations they really would not like to have accepted.

The only people impressed by boys hair products are other boys. Probably the equivalent to the bum and thigh flashing by girls would be if boys were to wear cod pieces, when socks are not good enough!

By and large co-education is not a very good idea if the objective is to learn anything vocational or academic although it is much cheaper for the state.

OTOH co-ed is effective if the Geordie Shore or Big Brother House are yr objectives.

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Why do schoolgirls see the need to dress like ladies of the night?

and when a feller gets caught looking, he's branded a pervert?

We're talking 12 year olds here!
I'm sure most girls of this age rolled their skirts up. I certainly did, as did my daughters!
Grand daughter actually doesn't roll hers up, she also wears the recommended skirt. She is tall and slim (about 5'4"). She wears a skirt that fits around her waist (as you do), but, perhaps because clothes are made for the 'fuller figure', it's short!

It's not only boys whose hormones are going ballistic - girls start their periods about this age too! Many spend the first 6 months to a year dreading the situation, then become relaxed about the situation, and like to show how relaxed they are.

If short skirts are regarded a 'pulling gear', should the boys be forbidden from putting 'product' in their hair, as they (the boys) consider this part of their 'pulling gear'?

School is junior 'working clothes' environment where the need is to concentrate and not be distracted or distract others..

No doubt those boys would rather not be plagued by bodies desperate to mate whilst they get on with the things that are more necessary for humans to do first.

Only considerate not to make life harder for them as they are already having to control their urge to jump on any fellow creature emitting the right pheronomes.

Short skirts are pulling gear. They are for use when you want to boost your pheronomes.

Tools for the job, not to be wasted.

Coming back to the school environment - young males can't control their body's reaction however much their mind tells them not too. They may not actually act it out but sit/stand there red faced and uncomfortable.

Your granddaughter is 12 going on 13; there's probably a couple in her year group are 12 going on 16. Unless the remarks were addressed specifically to her, Miss X was likely trying to guide certain girls who are more 'aware'.

I'm talking about short skirts here, not pelmets!!

...so girls should modify their behaviour so that boy's don't 'assume'?
Shouldn't boys be taught to respect and control themselves?

I thought we'd left the blame culture ie, 'she was dressed like that so was 'asking for it' behind. Besides which, rape has nothing to do with what you wear/look like (that's opportunism and a self deluded 'right').

As for segregation during games - what about lesbians :-D :-D

Most secondary schools segregate the sexes for games.

Have you seen the length of some girls uniform skirts?? We thought mid thigh mini skirts were daring. Nowadays some barely cover their b-u-m.

Life is unfair. Why shouldn't girls dress as they like? On the other hand (some) males can't control their primal urges. It's a fine line between self expression and self preservation.