General Chat

Do not for one minute misunderstand my post, gracious in defeat is one thing, thinking the leavers are right and accepting the country will be better for it is another.

I do not accept this was a good thing, but I do think it will ( maybe) finally put the praise or blame where it belongs, on the government of this country ( of whatever shade it may be now or in future). The buck now stops here!

Allan

There were always plenty of jobs for those that understand the forms (Carnet).

Unfortunately all those that could would be well retired but niw.

The Brexiters blamed the Remain faction for the failure of May's Withdrawal Agreement. They ignore the hard fact that the ERG destroyed the agreement and drove May from office.

I did not much like May's agreement but it was pragmatic and fairly reflected the narrow referendum result as well as the ongoing drift of support to Remain, If it had been passed by the Commons the country very likely would have been able to move on.

Instead we have the current imminent disaster.

Fishing is as good an example as any of the absurdity of the UK position. Several trawlers are out of service in Scotland because the Home Office will not grant visas to skilled fishermen from outside of the EU. This dangerous and difficult job is not regarded as "skilled" and does not reach the £ 38 000 salary bar.
For those boats that can land a catch most of it is exported to the EU. If the UK bars EU boats from their current fishing rights the EU side would simply bar imports from the UK and the UK boats and wholesalers would go bust.
As it stands the UK does not have enough inshore fishing protection vessels to police our waters, nowhere near. Other EU navies have been helping out. That will pretty obviously stop. Instead foreign & EU boats will be able to do as they wish and the Brits will be unable to do very much about it. As well as a commercial disaster the successful ecological policies would be at grave risk.

And so it goes on one thing after another.

It will be interesting to see how well the English will like the winter version of Narnia. The Scots and Northern Irish are already kicking in the door of the exit.

Who will win the blame game?

I agree with Rose. The government will no longer be able to 'hide behind' EU directives or rules. They will have to stand up in the wind that will blow, whether it be a gentle, warm breeze or Hurricane Boris.

Namelessone, re your post of 14.56, I'm certainly in that category of the long retired :-D :-D

Well, Alan, it appears we have the first of the 'We won, we're British, you aren't' missives:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-51341735

When will 'they' start demanding DNA proof to live here - and where will I go?

Edit: just like to point out, not only the lack of an 'Oxford' comma, but the total lack of punctuation! :-|

I'd put up smiley emoticons, but somehow they wouldn't be appropriate.

This is how many of the redneck brigade will feel and it is also how wars start.

I've had my DNA tested and with my ethnic results, I doubt that I would ever get a UK passport again if that was the criteria used, despite being born in Britain to British parents ;-)

Same here with reference to DNA..
Even though I can trace my Cornish side to 1098 - it appears many were Normans! :-S

One of my brothers (both born in Malta, due to my dad being in the Fleet Air Arm) was refused a passport in the 1980's, because he hadn't been registered in the UK by our parents. He was even threatened with deportation, as an 'illegal alien'!

I mean, if you had a 5 month old, and an 18 month old, would your first thought be - 'I must register their births in the UK, because the Services/Government can't be bothered to link things up'?

What didn't help was that they came over on the 'Windrush' in 1951 - a troopship, which co-incidentally also brought over people invited by the Government at the time, from the Caribbean.
People the Government in the 1980's was, (and still is) trying to rid itself of.

Under a different (earlier) Government, the other brother got a passport with no problem.

I read part of this last night and it seemed somehow apt ( it may just be me of course ;-) )

"We are the music makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams; —
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.

With wonderful deathless ditties
We build up the world's great cities,
And out of a fabulous story
We fashion an empire's glory:
One man with a dream, at pleasure,
Shall go forth and conquer a crown;
And three with a new song's measure
Can trample a kingdom down.
......

And therefore to-day is thrilling
With a past day's late fulfilling;
And the multitudes are enlisted
In the faith that their fathers resisted,
And, scorning the dream of to-morrow,
Are bringing to pass, as they may,
In the world, for its joy or its sorrow,
The dream that was scorned yesterday."

Ode
BY ARTHUR O'SHAUGHNESSY

From the mouth of babes -
Steve Barclay tells Andrew Marr that everything in the garden is ok with Rosy Scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj0W-DHahvg

The EU is working from the WA Treaty, BJ may have signed it but does not appear to have read it. His crew are working from a wish list instead - typical of Dum and Dummer.

[ larfs sardonically ]

I read somewhere that some of the remainers won't have anything to do with the new fifty pence piece; I suppose that they just can't accept change.

:-D :-D :-D :-D

edit: The fact that they will be in circulation - but you can buy them for £10 before they go into circulation - is hilarious!
From the 'Sun'-
"an unlimited number of these are still on sale for £10. You can place your order, although you won't get one until mid-February"
...an 'unlimited number' are on sale? That'll be a few million, then :-D
But - Hey! Spend £10 on something worth 50p! :-D :-D :-D

Allan :-D Maggie does sound stupid paying that much for the coins doesn't it!

That's the way Brexiters are.

I would think those paying that much for the coins are either legitimate coin collectors or people who think they will increase in value.

Kense just because people voted the way they thought was right i.e. for Brexit does not make them stupid. There is rather too much of this on the net at the moment.

(Oh for the record I thin I have said I didn't vote for brexit.)

Kense we voted to leave so I find your comment very insulting. I am certainly not stupid and I am entitled to my opinion which some folk on here mentioning no names think I should not have

I apologise for causing any offence That was not my intention.

I was trying to point out the comparison of paying out a large amount to get something that is currently not worth as much,

I understand that the total cost of Brexit now exceeds all the contributions we have made to the EU since it was formed.

Apology accepted Kense Thank You

All our tomorrows

https://tinyurl.com/r574vlf

My comment about the fifty pence piece was a joke, for those of you who like puns.:-D :-D

It was not intended to be taken seriously. :-(

In fact I started this thread purely as a light-hearted rhetorical question ;-)