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If your grandfather didn't marry Mildred Croft, it isn't the same man.

When and where was he born?

On the other hand -
presumably Jean doesn't know for sure - she just thinks he's not the same man, maybe because of the other middle name William.

Have you researched your grandfather's life before he emigrated? Where and when was he born? What was his father's name?


It's interesting (though possibly another coincidence and a total red herring ) that the James F Gill who was born in Exeter in 1928 had the middle name Frank:

GILL, JAMES FRANK [ mmn Watts per FreeBMD ]
GRO Reference: 1928 M Quarter in EXETER Volume 05B Page 86

but was called James Francis at marriage
[ * IF* that's the same person , and of course we don't know, as Jean didn't tell us what the marriage cert gave as his father's name. ]

and you say that your grandfather's middle name was Frank, but he was known as Francis.


At the risk of going off in a completely wrong direction, here's the probable marriage of the parents of the man born in 1928:

Marriages Jun 1927 (>99%)
Gill James Watts St. Thomas 5b 154
Watts Nellie Gill St.Thomas 5b 154



James's wife Marilyn Croft, born 1932 Wandsworth, is the only Marilyn Croft born anywhere near that year, in England.

Ancestry suggests that this could be a remarriage [ if she and James divorced and she reverted to her maiden name ?? ]:

Marilyn Croft
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Marilyn Croft
Registration Date: Jul 1963[Aug 1963] [Sep 1963]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Sidcup
Inferred County: Kent
Spouse: Leonard R T Farrow [Leonard Rupert Thomas Farrow, birth reg 1921 Romford, per FreeBMD and GRO]
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 2032


Deaths?? :

FARROW, MARILYN 1932
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2015 in BRISTOL (301-1B) Entry Number 511824510

Leonard Rupert T Farrow
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Leonard Rupert T Farrow
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1920
Registration Date: Jan 1996
Registration District: St Austell
Inferred County: Cornwall
Register Number: 40B
District and Subdistrict: 3671C
Entry Number: 137

Thanks for the suggestion. I did contact Peter but I've also had a response from the original poster and she doesn't think that it's the same person. Nevermind - coincidences happen!

Daniel

It might be a good idea to try to contact Peter. His post is much more recent.

He is not related to this family - he was merely trying to help William, with whom he was in contact

Hi,

I've just joined because I think that the father of Juanita and William might've been my grandfather - James William Frank Gill (known as Francis) - who immigrated to Perth, Western Australia in the 1960s.

I've sent a PM to Jean - let me know how I can help.

(Please note that I've only taken a one month subscription so post something public in case I miss it!)

We know that she wasn't married when William last saw her, but she was seeing a guy who was a Policeman apparently.

He doesn't know the name of the home, but he says that she worked and lived in the game place.

It was within walking distance of the coach station, so I've called a number of care/retirement homes within 20 mins walk based on a few landmarks William has given me (we've been on Google maps looking at street view.)

No joy so far but still searching!

I don't suppose William remembers the name of the nursing home?

There was a Juanita Ann Frances Wilson in Lockerbie, Dumfriesshire in 2013 ER., aged 65-69 (I think that means age in 2019-20?).

That woman married Mr Wilson in Ayr in 1964 under the surnames Hoole or Andrew - so maybe not your Juanita - but the forenames are a big coincidence.

That woman was not born in Scotland, and has not died there under any of those surnames.


EDIT:

NO - silly me - she can't be your Juanita unless she married when she was 10 !
Ah well, back to the drawing board.

Does William know if his sister was single when he visited her?

Did he visit her at her home/workplace? Or meet her elsewhere?

Nothing online for her apart from her birth.

I posted on this thread a couple of weeks ago, so just to update William has been 'found' and connected with family who have been looking for him!

However, we are still looking for Juanita (Juanita Ann Francis Gill, b. 1954, Hammersmith, London, UK. Parents were Marilyn Croft and James Francis Gill, married in Croydon, Surrey, UK in 1953.

William last visited his sister in Cheltenham, Gloucester, UK, he thinks when he was in his 50's (he's 64 now.) He says that Juanita worked and lived in a nursing home. William is also keen to see his sister again, but has no means of contacting her. We've tried the phone book for Cheltenham (and wider area), and are following a few J Gill leads.

If anyone has any connections in the Cheltenham area, or has any info please message and let us know! Many thanks.

Pete

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Thanks, I've messaged Jean by clicking on her name, so hoping it reaches her!

I also found a more recent (2016) request/search with the same information on another site, Curious Fox, and have messaged there also. :-)

Pete

Click on jeans name and send her a message

It’s a long time since she was on genes but you may be lucky and your message gets through to her

Hello Jean

I came across your message with a search on Google this morning. Long story short, please contact me if you receive this, I'm sure I'm currently sat with the William Gill you were messaging about back in 2011/12. All the information provide in the message thread fits..

I really hope this reaches you!

Pete

Thanks Shelia , Maria - Across the ditch - and Flowerpot

Will take all your suggestions on board - and hope that something turns up

Marilyn was not on her mothers DC -her Uncle was and since died - and her cousin has no idea were she went after her mothers death or that she had children

As you say may have remarried and changed the name


Thanks All
Jean

Plenty of Gill names in NZ - we are a hop across the Tasman from Australia if that helps.

Maria

Depending on how much you want to find them

you could purchase the below...............this gets you to 1963 if Marilyn is the informant.
It will give her surname/address in 1963 as she could have remarried

SADLY ( this ties in with where Marilyn married in 1953 )
Death Record
Name Irene V B Croft
Year of Registration 1963
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Croydon
Registration County Surrey
Age at Death: 64
Volume Number 5G
Volume Page 60

£9.25 on-line

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
.


I find it strange that others have them on their family trees but have NO idea where they went ? . :-S


.

Jean on facebook there is a Juanita Gill in Devon on facebook, this may be the one with the middle initial M, but wonder if there could be a connection to the family ?

Thanks for all that inf. really appreciated

But am 100% sure no connection to India

And yes, I knew about the Lawrence/McAvoy/Terry connections
Just can't seem to find Marilyn and her family - a big mystery -maybe they changed their names ??

Have also contacted members with the above names on their trees but know one can anwer the question -

Thanks Kaye will look into the Brisbane Achives you mentioned -

Thanks Everyone - Jean

1891 Census Household Record
Address 71, Lambeth Road
Parish Lambeth
District Lambeth, Lambeth Church First
Administrative County London

Householder 1
Name Joseph Lawrence
Age 43
Estimated Year of Birth 1848
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Singer
Birth Place Leeds
Birth County

Householder 2
Name Emma Lawrence
Age 41
Estimated Year of Birth 1850
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Leeds
Birth County

Householder 3
Name George Lawrence
Age 20
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Carpenter
Birth Place Leeds
Birth County

Householder 4
Name Ernest Lawrence
Age 19
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Clerk
Birth Place Leeds
Birth County

Householder 5
Name Victoria Lawrence
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1874
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Singer
Birth Place Leeds
Birth County

Householder 6
Name Sydney Lawrence
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1880
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Lambeth
Birth County

Householder 7
Name Arcker Lawrence
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1884
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lambeth
Birth County

Householder 8
Name Julia Slocum
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1861
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Occupation Dressmaker
Birth Place Gibraltar
Birth County

Householder 9
Name Rose Slocum
Age 21
Estimated Year of Birth 1870
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Occupation
Birth Place
Birth County Suffolk

Householder 10
Name Charlotte Danby
Age 48
Estimated Year of Birth 1843
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Occupation Servant
Birth Place Leeds
Birth County

Householder 11
Name Robert Danby
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1877
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Bradford
Birth County

Householder 12
Name Frank Danby
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1891
Relationship to Head of Household Lodger
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Lambeth
Birth County

1901 Census Household Record
Address 28 Osborne Terr
Civil Parish Lambeth
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Kennington St Mark
Parliamentary Borough or Division Kennington
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Lambeth
Administrative County London

Householder 1
Name Irene Avoy
Relation to Head of Family Grand Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 2
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Victoria M Avoy ( should be Mcavoy no middle name )
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 35
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Vocalist Music
Employment Status
Where Born Leeds Yorks <<<<<<<<<<<<
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Marian Gilchrist
Relation to Head of Family Servant
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 19
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Nurse
Employment Status
Where Born India
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Louisa Knight
Relation to Head of Family Servant
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 24
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Cook Domestic
Employment Status
Where Born Lambeth
Language
Infirmity

Householder 5
Name Archer Lawrence
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 17
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Clerk
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity

Householder 6
Name Emma Lawrence
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 50
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Leeds Yorks
Language
Infirmity

Householder 7
Name Ernest Lawrence
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 28
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Theatrical Agnt
Employment Status
Where Born Leeds Yorks