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London Marriages + Baptisms lookup please

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Findingmypast

Findingmypast Report 6 Feb 2011 12:46

Cecil Llewellyn Bartholomew (born 1893) married Lilian May Clarke (born ?), registered in Wandsworth - December Quarter 1919

*** details of occupations, fathers' names, witnesses & addresses needed especially please (Cecil's father : Frederick Bartholomew).

Also baptism of Frederick Robert Bartholomew (details from Familysearch) : born 27 May 1858 & baptised on 11 July 1860 @ St. Thomas' , Regent Street, Westminster, London) = parents William Bartholomew & Mary Ann.

Many thanks !

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 6 Feb 2011 12:50

Cecil Llewellyn Bartholomew

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Warminster, Wiltshire, England
parents: Frederick Bartholomew, Emma

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Cecil Llewellyn Bartholomew
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 Mar 1893
baptism/christening place: St. Denys, Warminster, Wiltshire, England
father's name: Frederick Bartholomew
mother's name: Emma
indexing project (batch) number: C01841-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 6 Feb 2011 12:54

Frederic Robert Bartholomew

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 27 May 1858
residence: London, England
parents: William Bartholomew, Maryanne

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Frederic Robert Bartholomew
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 11 Jul 1860
baptism/christening place: SAINT THOMAS REGENT STREET,WESTMINSTER,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 27 May 1858
father's name: William Bartholomew
mother's name: Maryanne
indexing project (batch) number: C06218-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 6 Feb 2011 12:56

FREDERIC ROBERT BARTHOLOMEW Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 27 MAY 1858

Christening: 11 JUL 1860 Saint Thomas Regent Street, Westminster, London, England
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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM BARTHOLOMEW Family
Mother: MARYANNE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Choccy

Choccy Report 6 Feb 2011 12:59



BARTHOLOMEW, Emma Head Widow F 39 1862
Ireland Dublin VIEW
BARTHOLOMEW, Frederick Son M 16 1885 Clerk Electrical Dpt G W R Co
Ireland Dublin VIEW
BARTHOLOMEW, Arthur Son M 14 1887
Ireland Dublin VIEW
BARTHOLOMEW, Millicent Daughter F 12 1889
Banglor India VIEW
BARTHOLOMEW, Leellian Daughter F 9 1892
Warminster
Wiltshire VIEW
BARTHOLOMEW, Cecil Son M 8 1893
Warminster
Wiltshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1942 Folio:
65 Page:
9

Registration District:
Warminster Sub District:
Warminster Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Warminster St Denys with St Lawrence & St John

Civil Parish:
Warminster Municipal Borough:
Address:
96, West Street, Warminster County:
Wiltshire


same family in 1911 ?

1911

BARTHOLOMEW, Frederick Head Married M 51 1860 Army Pensioner Clerk Middlesex VIEW
BARTHOLOMEW, Emma Wife Married
27 years F 49 1862 Dublin VIEW
BARTHOLOMEW, Arthur Son Single M 24 1887 Postal Clerk Dublin VIEW
BARTHOLOMEW, Cecil Son Single M 18 1893 Clerk To Rate Collector Warminster VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12016 Reference:
RG14PN12016 RG78PN669 RD250 SD1 ED8 SN50

Registration District:
Warminster Sub District:
Warminster Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Warminster

Address:
Carlton Villa Portway County:
Wiltshire



Choccy

Choccy Report 6 Feb 2011 13:04



here are Frederick's Army records -

discharged to Warminster

married to Emma Brown on 18th December 1883 at St Peters, Dublin, Ireland


There are 18 images available for this soldier but a number of the images are blank pages


British Army Service Records 1760-1913 Transcription

First name(s): Frederick

Last name: BARTHOLOMEW

Calculated year of birth: 1859

Parish of birth: St James

Town of birth: London

County of birth: Middlesex

Age at attestation: 19 years 10 months

Attestation date: 30 March 1878

Attestation corps: Hussars

Attestation soldier number: 1675

Discharge rank:

Discharge corps:

Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO97 / 4318 / 36




(1878-1889 at home, 1889-1890 East Indies, 1890-1900 Home, 19011-1901 South Africa, 1901-1905 Home and discharged)


Margee

Margee Report 6 Feb 2011 14:15


Tthere's this. Original says he's a citizen of Canada.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Cecil Llewellyn Bartholomew Name: Cecil Llewellyn Bartholomew
Arrival Date: 28 May 1936
Birth Year: abt 1893
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Warminster
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Bremen


Margee

Margee Report 6 Feb 2011 14:18

Ah! Canadian soldier of WW1:

Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
about Cecil Llewellyn Bartholamew Name: Cecil Llewellyn Bartholamew
Residence: Toroto, Ontario
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1893
Birth Location: Warminster, England
Relative: Emma Bartholamew
Relationship: Mother
Regiment Number: 550, 116

Original gives mother's address as Portway, Waminster, Wilts, England.
His address 36 McGill St., Toronto, Ont. His trade a rangeman.

Margee

Margee Report 6 Feb 2011 14:23

His arrival in Canada:

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Cecil L Bartholomew Name: Cecil L Bartholomew
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Date of Arrival: 21 May 1913
Vessel: Megantic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Megantic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4796

Original says destination was Toronto to brother.

Margee

Margee Report 6 Feb 2011 14:32

Does this fellow belong to you?

Encyclopedia.com > Encyclopedias, Almanacs, Transcripts, and Maps > The Scribner Encyclopedia of American Lives
Bartholomew, Frederick Llewellyn (“Freddie”)

The Scribner Encyclopedia of American Lives | 2001 | 700+ words | COPYRIGHT 2001 The Gale Group, Inc. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group. (Hide copyright information) Copyright

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Bartholomew, Frederick Llewellyn (“Freddie”)
(b. 12 February 1924 in London, England; d. 22 January 1992 in Sarasota, Florida), famed motion picture child actor of the 1930s, especially remembered for David Copperfield (1935), Little Lord Fauntleroy (1936), and Captains Courageous (1937).

Bartholomew was one of three children born to Cecil Llewellyn Bartholomew, a wounded veteran of World War I and minor civil servant, and Lillian May Bartholomew, a home-maker. At the age of three, Bartholomew was sent to live with his paternal grandparents in Warminster, England, and was placed under the immediate care of his father’s sister, Myllicent Mary Bartholomew, or “Aunt Cissie.” Speaking with impressive diction at about the age of three, Bartholomew reputedly made “stage” appearances and gave recitations at church-related gatherings and received early dramatic training with Italia Conti (an actress in England who from 1911 developed expertise in training young children as actors). He went on to appear in several British films, including Fascination (1931) and Lily Christine (1932). His aunt, looking ahead to a film career for him, took him to New York City in 1934 and arranged for a Hollywood representative to present them to the movie executive David O. Selznick at the Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) studios in Culver City, California. At that time Selznick was searching among ten thousand applicants for the perfect boy to play young David Copperfield for his film production of Charles Dickens’s great novel. (Another version of this story says that Bartholomew was discovered by Selznick and the MGM director George Cukor in England.)

Selznick immediately signed Bartholomew for David Copperfield (1935) and gave him a seven-year contract with MGM at a starting salary of $175 …

Margee

Margee Report 6 Feb 2011 14:35

Very interesting story about Freddie here:

http://www.things-and-other-stuff.com/8590/freddie-bartholomew-part-2/

Margee

Margee Report 6 Feb 2011 14:40

This was added to the above site:

(1) Yes, his full name was Frederick Cecil Bartholomew – birth registered in the Willesden Registration District in the January to March quarter of 1924. Willesden covered Middlesex, which is London town’s county.

(2)His father was Cecil Llewellyn Bartholomew, born at Warminster, Wiltshire County, England, on January 7, 1893. Moved to Canada in the early 1910s, worked as a rangeman – whatever that job was. Enlisted in the Royal Canadian Dragoons in 1916, badly wounded in France,worked as a minor civil servant in England after the war.

(3)He married Lilian May Clarke at Wandsworth (now a section of Greater London) in County Surrey in the last quarter of 1919.

(4)Freddie the actor’s grandfather was Frederick (or Frederick Robert)Bartholomew, born about 1860 or a year or two earlier. He married Emma Brown, born in Dublin in about 1862. I suspect the couple married in Dublin. They had quite a few children, listed in British census returns.

(5)The youngsters were: Frederick, born Dublin about 1885;Arthur, born Dublin about 1887, Millicent, Freddie’s ‘Aunt Cissie’, born at Bangalore in India about 1889; Lilian Gertrude May, baptised 1891-probably at Warminster, certainly in England; Cecil Llewellyn, Freddie’s father. The great actor’s dad was a younger son, hence, in keeping with social traditions of the era, he probably moved to the colonies to make his way in life.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 6 Feb 2011 14:46

Freddie Bartholomew More at IMDbPro »
ad feedbackDate of Birth
28 March 1924, Dublin, Ireland


Date of Death
23 January 1992, Sarasota, Florida, USA (emphysema and heart failure)


Mini Biography
One of the most popular child actors in film history, Freddie Bartholomew was born Frederick Llwellyn in Dublin, Ireland, in 1924. He was raised in England by an aunt, Millicent Bartholomew, from whom he took his surname. Freddie had appeared on the London stage and in 2 minor British films when on a visit to the U.S. with his aunt in 1934, he was offered the title role in The Personal History, Adventures, Experience, & Observation of David Copperfield the Younger (1935) by MGM. This film made him an overnight star and he went on to appear in such classics as Anna Karenina (1935), Little Lord Fauntleroy (1936), and Captains Courageous (1937). His salary soared to $2,500 a week making him filmdom's highest paid child star after Shirley Temple. But with the advent of young manhood, his dimpled, angelic good looks began to fade. After a stint in the Air Force in World War II, his film career was all but finished. In 1954, he went to work for an advertising agency and remarked at the time that the millions he had earned as a child had been spent mostly on lawsuits, one of which involved a headline court battle in 1937 between his parents and his aunt for custody of young Freddie. "I was drained dry," he said. Freddie Bartholomew died in Florida in 1992 at the age of 67. He leaves a legacy of some of the greatest adventure films of the 1930s.))

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 6 Feb 2011 14:47

Conflicting with some sources, a New York Times obituary article published 24 Jan 1992 states his birthplace was not London, England, where he was reared, but actually Dublin, Ireland

Findingmypast

Findingmypast Report 6 Feb 2011 15:59

Many, many thanks to :

Ann of Green Gables * Choccy * MadBull *

Your help is most appreciated !

I am actually trying to research the Bartholomew family lineage (no relation) back through census returns, etc...

The family was torn-apart by child custody battles in America during the late 1930's, when Cecil & Lilian Bartholomew tried to regain custody of their son Freddie from Cecil's sister Millicent (Cissy).
Millicent later adopted her nephew & the parents seemed to vanish back into the woodwork !

It was a very notorious case & poor Freddie lost all of his earnings fighting his parents' through the courts in America (there are now fascinating documents available on-line pertaining to the court cases).

Thankyou all again

EDIT : Frederick Cecil Bartholomew was born in Harlesden, London on 28 March 1924 (i have a copy of the birth certificate).

Sources quoting birthplace as Ireland are wrong.

He was not named Frederick Llewellyn or Frederick Llewellyn March either - as erroneously reported in several sources ( both in print & on-line).




Margee

Margee Report 6 Feb 2011 16:01

I'm sure the poster must have known all of this! He/she had the date of Freddie's birth, must have known he was famous. There's loads of info about him online.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 6 Feb 2011 16:08

Could this be Cecil's death:-

Name: Cecil L Bartholomew
Death Registration Month/Year: 1968
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 826

and perhaps Lilian's:-

Name: Lilian May Bartholomew
Birth Date: 18 Oct 1900
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1996
Age at death (estimated): 95
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Register number: E72A
District and Subdistrict: 2561E
Entry number: 298

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 6 Feb 2011 16:13

Possible for Lilian's birth (although the registration doesn't match up with the birth date given on the death record):-

Name: Lilian May Clarke
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 737

Kath. x

Findingmypast

Findingmypast Report 6 Feb 2011 16:13

Hello MadBull,

In fairness i was not asking for any information about Freddie (Cecil's son), it is Cecil's paternal parental line that i am trying to research - of which i know very little.

What little i do know was included in my posting on here & my posting yesterday for the 1911 census info. re: Cecil.

Best Wishes.

Findingmypast

Findingmypast Report 6 Feb 2011 16:18

Hi Kath,

Good to hear from you again !
Thankyou for the info. about the deaths of Cecil & Lilian, it certainly looks correct.

I have been hunting around FreeBMD this afternoon & it seems that this family has definate roots in the Wandsworth area of London.

Many thanks !