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Pamela
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27 Jun 2012 15:56 |
I am trying to find out more about Benjamin Mordecai, born 1893, because my mother found out late in life, from papers found after her mothers death, that he was her father. This has since been confirmed by my uncle (in his 90s) that this was so. I would like to know more about my grandfather - can anyone help? Pam
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Jonesey
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27 Jun 2012 15:59 |
Might this be him???
Name: Benjamin Mordecai Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1893 Registration district: Mile End Old Town Inferred County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 536
1901???
Name: Benjamin Mordecai Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Mordecai Mother's name: Sophia Mordecai Gender: Male Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: St Benet Stepney Town: Tower Hamlets County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End, Old Town, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 58 Piece: 333 Folio: 65 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age George Mordecai 40 born Islington, London Sophia Mordecai 37 born Islington, London Rebecca Mordecai 18 Ralph Mordecai 19 Harry Mordecai 15 Lizzie Mordecai 15 Katie Mordecai 14 Sarah Mordecai 12 Bella Mordecai 11 Aaron Mordecai 9 Benjamin Mordecai 7 Julia Mordecai 6 Emma Mordecai 4
Name: Benjamin Mordecai Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Age at enlistment: 21 Residence: 38 Eric St, Mile End E Document Year: 1915 Regimental Number: 34920 Regiment Name: KRR Number of images: 39
Name: Benjamin Mordecai Spouse Surname: Frances St Clair Pike Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918 Registration district: Paddington Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1a Page Number: 218
Name: Benjamin Mordecai Birth Date: abt 1892 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960 Age at Death: 68 Registration district: Paddington Inferred County: London Volume: 5d Page: 196
Name: Benjamin Mordecai Probate Date: 4 Oct 1960 Death Date: 25 Aug 1960 Death Place: London, England Registry: London, England Estate: £686/11/- Probate granted to Frances St Clair Mordecai (Widow)
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Adeline
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27 Jun 2012 15:59 |
Here's another possibility for 1901:
MORDECAI, Benjamin Head Widower M 80 1821 Spitalfields, London MORDECAI, Solomon Son Single M 30 1871 Fruit Dealer Aldgate, London MORDECAI, Rachel Daughter Single F 32 1869 Housekeeper Domestic Aldgate, London MORDECAI, Esther Daughter Single F 25 1876 Cigar Maker Aldgate, London >>>>>>MORDECAI, Benjamin Grand Son M 8 1893 America New York F S
1911:
MORDECAI, Lewis Head Married M 50 1861 Fruiterer London E Bow MORDECAI, Annie Wife Married24 years F 48 1863 Fruiterer London E Bow MORDECAI, Bessie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Fruiterer Boston U S A >>>>>MORDECAI, Ben Son Single M 18 1893 Fruiterer Boston U S A MORDECAI, Sophia Daughter Single F 16 1895 Fruiterer London Se Southwall MORDECAI, Katie Daughter Single F 15 1896 Fruiterer London S E Southwall MORDECAI, Arthur Son Single M 12 1899 London S E Southwall MORDECAI, Esther Daughter Single F 9 1902 London Islington W
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Chris Ho :)
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27 Jun 2012 16:18 |
(checking in 'Search Trees', looks like the USA one)
Home Office: Immigration and Nationality Departmen... HO 334/162/18231 Naturalisation Certificate: Benjamin Mordecai. From the United States of America. Resident in London. Certificate AZ18231 issued 29 May 1946. . Naturalisation Certificate: Benjamin Mordecai. From the United States of America. Resident in London. Certificate Date: 1946
(above from below link)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
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Jonesey
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27 Jun 2012 16:38 |
Chris,
Although the Benjamin Mordecai found by Adeline was born in the USA according to the 1911 census his father and mother were both born in England. Under those circumstances Benjamin would be a British Subject. It should not therefore have been necessary for him to apply for naturalisation.
Perhaps the chap who was granted a Certificate of Naturalisation in 1946 was another Benjamin Mordecai entirely.
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Chris Ho :)
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27 Jun 2012 16:45 |
(could well be another Benjamin Jonesey, can see what you mean)
Chris :)
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Pamela
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28 Jun 2012 16:28 |
Thank you to everyone for the above information. There are a few things that I didn't know and this has been really helpful.
Still love to know more about this person and the Mordecai family so if anyone can help I would appreciate it. Pam
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28 Jun 2012 18:48 |
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George Mordecai England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1861 Islington,? London census: 31 Mar 1901 Mile End Old Town,? London,? Middlesex,? England name: George Mordecai event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Male age: 40 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Islington, London record type: Household registration district: Mile End Old Town sub-district: Mile End Old Town Eastern ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Benet civil parish: Mile End Old Town county: London, Middlesex George Walter Mordecai England and Wales Census, 1871 birth: 1861 *as St Minories residence: 1871 St George,? London,? Surrey,? England parents: Henry Mordecai,? Eliza Mordecai
name: George Walter Mordecai event: Census event date: 1871 gender: Male age: 10 relationship to head of household: Son birthplace: *as St Minories record type: Household registration district: St Saviour Southwark sub-district: London Road event parish: St George county: London, Surrey
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AnnCardiff
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28 Jun 2012 19:00 |
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George Mordecai England and Wales Census, 1911 birth: London City E C,? London census: 1911 Mile End Old Town,? ,? London,? England name: George Mordecai event: Census event date: 1911 gender: Male age: 49 birthplace: London City E C, London record type: Household registration district: Mile End Old Town sub-district: Mile End Old Town South Western parish: Mile End Old Town county: London
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Jonesey
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28 Jun 2012 19:07 |
Pamela,
If your Benjamin was the one born in Islington here is an extract from his Army Service Records:
Bejamin Mordecai.
Aged 21 years and 4 months on 16/11/1915 in Stratford, London. He was a Stock keeper living at 38 Eric St, Mile End, London.
He was 5' 6" tall, his chest was 36" when fully expanded. He had a sallow complexion, brown hair and had a mole on his left cheek. He gave his next of kin as his father George Mordecai living at 42 Diggon St, Stepney.
Initially he was inducted into the KRR but in February 1917 he was transferred to the Royal West Kent Regiment and served in India and the UEF ?. He was discharged as not being physically fit for war service on 25/6/1919. His address was the same as at the time of his enlistment. He was a private throughout his time in service.
He was awarded the British War and Victory medals which were sent to him in 1921. On discharge he was awarded a pension of 11/- per week. His conduct record appears good but on 23/11/1917 he was sentenced to be confined to barracks to 5 days for urinating in the ranks.
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Lynski
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28 Jun 2012 22:26 |
Here's another thread posted by another member that relates to this family -
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/986139
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Pamela
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29 Jun 2012 22:13 |
I think that he was the Benjamin who was born in America because of the 'fruiterer' occupation. I have been told his family had a green grocers on the Edgware Road. The 1911 census does list the Ben born in America as living with his family on the Edgware road. so I am pretty sure that is him.
Thanks for all the suggestions - I am still following up some of the info that was posted. Pam
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Chris Ho :)
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30 Jun 2012 08:55 |
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MORDECAI, Lewis Head Married M 40 1861 Fruiterer England MORDECAI, Annie Wife Married F 41 1860 England MORDECAI, Bessie Daughter Single F 10 1891 America Brit MORDECAI, Sophia Daughter Single F 5 1896 England MORDECAI, Kate Daughter Single F 5 1896 England MORDECAI, Arthur Son Single M 3 1898 England PIGGOTT, Annie Servant Single F 18 1883 Domestic Servant England Piece: 193 Folio: 139 Page: 39 Registration District: Islington Civil Parish: Islington Municipal Borough: Address: 106a, Upper Street, Islington County: London
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Pamela
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30 Jun 2012 16:09 |
Chris Thanks, I think that is the right family because Ben had a brother called Arthur. I can't find anything about Lewis's wife Annie. I wonder if she is American & they got married in America - that would explain why the first 2 children were born in the USA. Anyone any idea on how to follow this up? Pam
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Jonesey
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30 Jun 2012 16:49 |
Benjamin's father Lewis Mordecai was naturalised as an American citizen in 1893:
Name: Lewis Mordecai Birth Date: 8 Jan 1861 Birth Place: England Age at event: 32 Court District: Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Vermont Date of Action: 27 Feb 1893
He then returned to the UK in 1893 via Australia:
Name: Mr Lewis Mordecai Birth Date: abt 1861 Age: 32 Occupation: Cigar maker Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia Arrival Date: 14 Nov 1893 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ship Name: Berlin
1901: Name: Lewis Mordecai Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annie Mordecai Gender: Male Where born: England Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington, South-East ED, institution, or vessel: 60 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Piece: 193 Folio: 139 Page Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age Lewis Mordecai 40 Annie Mordecai 41 Bessie Mordecai 10 Sophia Mordecai 6 Kate Mordecai 5 Arthur Mordecai 3 Annie Piggott 18
Lewis died in 1913
Name: Lewis Mordecai Probate Date: 20 Nov 1913 Death Date: 24 Oct 1913 Death Place: Middlesex, England Registry: London, England Effects: £170/10/- Probate (With will) granted to his wife Annie Address: 395a Edgware Rd and 33 Bell St
Lewis Mordecai and Annie Lazarus were married in London in 1887
Name: Annie Lazarus Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1887 Registration district: London City Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1c Page Number: 121
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30 Jun 2012 16:53 |
Hello Pam, I don't think that Lewis' wife was American as she is shown as English on the 1901 & 1911 census. Not seeing an obvious marriage in England so they could possibly have wed in US.
Does it give any father's information on your mum's birth certificate, or is that part blank?
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30 Jun 2012 16:57 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Lewis Mordecai Name: Lewis Mordecai Probate Date: 20 Nov 1913 Death Date: 24 Oct 1913 Death Place: Middlesex, England Registry: London, England (of 395a, Edgware Road and of 33, Bell Street, Edgware Road. Died University College Hospital, Middlesex. Admin with Will to Annie Mordecai widow. Effects £170 10s)
Not sure about Births in USA...
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30 Jun 2012 17:04 |
This chap's family have a fruit business in Edgeware Road:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Name: Benjamin Mordecai City: Cambridge County: Middlesex State: Massachusetts Birthplace: Cambridge, Massachusetts;USA Birth Date: 1 Mar 1892 FHL Roll Number: 1685071 DraftBoard: 2
The quality of the document is very poor. From what I can make out he was single and a fruit buyer/manager.
He was employed by his mother and Mr R D Banks ?? of 550 Harrow Road, Paddington, London.
There's an address of 395b Edgeware Road, Paddington, London - may have been his last address.
Looks like he was trying to claim exemption from the draft by saying his mother and his paralysed child sister were dependant on him.
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Jonesey
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30 Jun 2012 17:23 |
Pamela,
As Benjamin's father had become a naturalised American citizen in 1893 then the British Naturalisation record of a Benjamin Mordecai in 1946 that Chris Ho found earlier is very likely to be your Man:
Home Office: Immigration and Nationality Departmen... HO 334/162/18231 Naturalisation Certificate: Benjamin Mordecai. From the United States of America. Resident in London. Certificate AZ18231 issued 29 May 1946. . Naturalisation Certificate: Benjamin Mordecai. From the United States of America. Resident in London. Certificate Date: 1946
(above from below link)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
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Jonesey
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30 Jun 2012 17:42 |
Lewis (Louis) and Annie first arrived in Boston in November 1887:
Name: Louis Mordaci Arrival Date: 27 Nov 1887 Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland Ship Name: Cephalonia Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Annie, Elizabeth (Bessie) and Benjamin came back to England via Boston in 1896.
Name: Mrs Anne Mordicand Birth Date: abt 1862 Age: 31 Port of Departure: Boston, Massachusetts, United States Arrival Date: 10 Oct 1893 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Bothnia Search Ship Database: View the 'Bothnia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: No owner or agent listed Official Number: 86215
Benjamin's mother Annie went to America in 1913. She arrived in New York but was making for the home of a Charles William Mordecai in New Haven, Connecticut.
Name: Annie Mordecai Arrival Date: 19 Sep 1913 Birth Year: abt 1865 Age: 48 Gender: Female Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Lusitania
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