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Hi
Looking for David Hanna born in Tubbermore Ireland C1876 he was living in Jarrow, South Shields in 1911 census and Married to Isabella Venus b 1871. He died still in the area in 1953. He did serve in one of the wars and I believe went to South Africa at one stage. Would like to know about his family and also who Isabella Venus was married to before David Hanna.
The 1911 census shows her as having been born at Wallbottle, Northumberland
The step children living with them show she was married and had children before David Hanna.
Interestingly, the 1911 census shows they married in 1906 but I can find a wedding entry for them showing the date of marriage as 1915, after the census and after the their children David and Sarah were born!
Thanks :-)

Hi David

1901 England Census
about Walter Venus Name:Walter Venus
Age:4
Estimated birth year:abt 1897
Relation to Head:Son
Gender:Male
Mother:Isabell Venus
Birth Place:Jarrow, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Willington
Ecclesiastical parish:St Paul
Town:Willington Quay
County/Island:Northumberland
Country:England

Household Members:

Isabell Venus 34 (Widow) Newburn Northumberland
Dorthy E Venus 15
Mary Venus 11
James R Venus 7
Walter Venus 4

Venus on the image..........

1891 England Census
about Dorothy E Denns Name:Dorothy E Denns
Age:5
Estimated birth year:abt 1886
Relation:Daughter
Father's Name:Charles Denns
Mother's name:Isabella Denns Gender:
Female
Where born:Linty Green, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow
Ecclesiastical parish:St John
Town:Hebburn
County/Island:Durham
Country:England



Household Members:

Charles Denns 32 (Fireman) Bill Guay Durham
Isabella Denns 27
Dorothy E Denns 5
Mary Denns 1


Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
Venus Charles 37 S.Shields. 10a 475

David's service records on FindMyPast

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First Name DAVID
Last Name HANNA
Age At Attestation Months -
Age At Attestation Years 18
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Attestation Day 17
Attestation Month 11
Year Of Birth 1874
Document Type Attestation
Year 1892
Birth Country IRELAND
Birth County DERRY (LONDONDERRY)
Attestation Corps LONDONDERRY ARTILLERY
Birth Parish TUBBERMORE
Attestation Soldier Number 907
Birth Town TUBBERMORE
Discharge Corps -
Discharge Soldier Number -
Rank -
Box 1403
Regiment -

Box Record Number 153
Soldier Number 907
Series militia service records 1806-1915

When he enlisted he was single and a labourer, working for a David Kissick of Cloughlin, Londonderry.

He was discharged "by purchase" in 1894. No details of any active service.

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Irving Isabella Tynemouth 10b 281
VENUS Charles Tynemouth 10b 281

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
First Name DOROTHY E
Last Name VEMIS <<<<<<<<<<VENUS
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition SINGLE
Gender Female
Year Of Birth 1886
Age 5
Occupation SCHOLAR
Birth Town -
Birth County DURHAM
Birth Place LINTON GREEN
House Name -
Street JOHNS LANE
Town HEBBURN
Parish HEDWORTH MONKTON AND YARROW
City -
County Durham
Registration District SOUTH SHIELDS
Vessel Name -
Archive Reference RG12
Piece Number 4170
Folio 99
Page 14
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age
CHARLES VEMIS HEAD 1859 32 Fireman. bDurham Bill ? Quay
ISABELLA VEMIS WIFE 1864 27 b Northumberland. Prudhoe
MARY VEMIS DAUGHTER 1890 1 b Durham Hebburn


England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First Name CHARLES
Last Name VENUS
Age At Death 37
Year 1898
Event Quarter 2
Year Of Birth 1861
District SOUTH SHIELDS
County Durham
Country England
Volume 10A
Page 475
Line Number 325

1881 England Census
about Isabella Irving Name:Isabella Irving
Age:13
Estimated birth year:abt 1868
Relationship to Head:Daughter
Father:John Irving
Mother:Dorothy Irving
Gender:Female
Where born:Newburn, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish:Longbenton
County/Island:Northumberland
Country:England
Street address:Benton Square
Occupation Scholar
Registration district:Tynemouth
Sub-registration district:Longbenton

Household Members:

John Irving 36 (Coal Miner) Scotland
Dorothy Irving 35 Matfin Northumberland
Isabella Irving 13
James R. Irving 9
Margaret A. Irving 5
John Irving

Re Service documents found by Marie Celeste

David was a Labourer when he Attested (signed on) and Single.

He is described as 5' 5 7/8" tall, weight 1?4 0 lbs, chest minimum 33", max 35" with a fresh complexion, blue eyes and light brown hair. His religion is Church of Ireland.

He attested to the Londonderry Artillery as a Gunner 17.11.92 and was Discharged by Purchase 1 April 1894 in Londonderry. No mention of overseas service.

The marriage record on South Tyneside Council's website gives both of Isabella's previous names, plus the date of the actual marriage:

David HANNA

Spouse: Isabella IRVING
Register: R 102 Entry: 176
Date: 02/02/1915

Spouse: Isabella VENUS
Register: R 102 Entry: 176

Further info on Isabella's first marriage:

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: Charles Venus
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1884
Marriage Place: Long Benton, Northumberland, England
Spouse: Isabella Irving
FHL Film Number: 1469112

1911 England Census
about John Irving Name:John Irving
Age in 1911:66
Estimated birth year:abt 1845
Relation to Head:Head
Gender:Male
Birth Place:Kirkoswll, Ayrshire, Scotland
Civil Parish:Wallsend
County/Island:Northumberland
Country:England
Street address:1 Keelman Row Willington Quay
Marital Status:Married ....44 Years
Registration district:Tynemouth
Sub-registration district:Wallsend

Household Members:

John Irving 66 .....Born 25 Feb 1845
Dorthey Irving 65....Matfen Northumberland
Walter Irving 27 (Son) Rope Works (Born Ersden Northumberland)

(8 children born, 5 living, 3 had died)

Prickles.:)))

Was David Hanna also previously married? Same parish as Isabel in the 1901

1901 England Census about David Hanna
Name: David Hanna
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Annie Hanna
Birth Place: Ireland
Civil Parish: Willington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Willington Quay
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4798
Folio: 63
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
David Hanna 25 <<<<Labourer in Copper factory
Annie Hanna 25
John Hanna 2

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First Name ANNIE
Last Name HANNA
Age At Death 26
Year 1901
Event Quarter 3
Year Of Birth 1875
District TYNEMOUTH
County Northumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 168
Line Number 93

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First Name JOHN
Last Name HANNA
Mother's Maiden Name -
Year 1899
Event Quarter 1
Month of Registration -
Country England
County Northumberland
District TYNEMOUTH
Volume 10B
Page 214
Line Number 268
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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
First Name JOHN
Last Name HANNA
Age At Death 3
Year 1901
Event Quarter 4
Year Of Birth 1898
District TYNEMOUTH
County Northumberland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 131
Line Number 151

The National Archives website will give you the chance to search the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census for free. There are a number of Hanna families in the TOBERMORE (Tubbermore not recognised) area of Londonderry in both years.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Do you have David and Isabell's marriage certificate to give you his fathers name and occupation which might help a census search?

Wow, thank you all so much, I am new to this game and need to learn to think laterally and try different names. Everything fits together perfectly. When looking for David Hanna I did find a David Hanna in Willington Quay and married to someone else and thought it more than a coincidence that when he married Isabella Venus she had a child born at Willington Quay. Now I know where they must have met. his first wife and her first husband died but they are still shown as a married to each other in the 1911 census but actually married in 1915! And they think our generation are the liberal ones!
Stunned by the information and quick replies <3
Jo :-D :-D :-D

You are welcome David.

Prickles. x

???

David Hanna
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
birth: 23 May 1875 Londonderry, Ireland
residence: 1875 Ireland
father: Samuel Hanna
mother: Mary Jane Walker
Name David Hanna
Gender Male
Christening Date
Christening Place
Birth Date 23 May 1875
Birthplace Londonderry, Ireland
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name Samuel Hanna
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Mary Jane Walker
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C70158-9
System Origin Ireland-EASy
GS Film number 255928
Reference ID v 6-2 p 938

family search also shows birth of a John Hanna 18.2.1877 in Londonderry to the same couple (John name of David's first son). Father Samuel is shown as born Broharris Tamlaght Finlagan

and
Annie Hanna 23.5.1879 Finlagan, Londonderry
Mary Hanna 4.3.1881 Finlagan

Also in the Civil Registration Indexes within family search, this one which might be a giveaway for the same couple -
John Walker Hanna b 1875 Londonderry

Wonder if this is Isabelle's son Walter Venus....

VENUS, WALTER
Rank:Private
Service No:23340
Date of Death:07/07/1916
Regiment/Service:Northumberland Fusiliers
9th Bn.
Panel ReferencePier and Face 10 B 11 B and 12 B.
MemorialTHIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Possible 1st marriage......

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Hanna David Tynemouth 10b 438
SOUTHERN Annie Tynemouth 10b 438