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Hi Tessa,
Many thanks for your information. I've not been on for a while as you can see.
Its lovely to find a member of my dads family as we know so little about them. Do you know if my gran was in contact with her sister? Dad and his sister Marj never met her family but knew odd snippets like Rose cottage and charles Edward was a gamekeeper- thats all I had to work on.
If you have any info on the family, like Edith Anne and Alices' mothers name or Charles' family Iwould love to know. Dad said he thought Gammy was a nurse in ww1 and thats how she met Grandad.
Hope to hear from you soon
Fiona

mgnv and joonie cloonie

Thank you for your information and advice its helpful as I am new to this.

regards, Tessa.

Tessa since it's been a while since this thread was active, it would be a good idea to click on 'Clive' and send Fiona a private message

she will get an email notification of that if her email address at this site is current, but no notices are sent of replies in threads like this

hope you get in touch

Lewis (1848) says:
HOTHFIELD (St. Mary), a parish, in the union of West Ashford, hundred of Chart and Longbridge, lathe of Shepway, E. division of Kent, 16 miles (E. S. E.) from Maidstone
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=445
[It's 4 km W of Ashford, 1km S of the A20, & 2km S of the London-Folkestone M20.

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
BROWN Edith Annie V W. Ashford 2a 745

Births Jun 1890 (>99%)
Brown Alice W. Ashford 2a 755
Brown Arthur Norman W. Ashford 2a 755
Brown Joseph Matthew W. Ashford 2a 756

There's no infant deaths showing up for the boys - of course, Brown's not so uncommon a name that we can discount that they're not triplets.

I sent a brief message earlier. hopefully the info below sheds a better light on things.

My information is for the Grandaughter of Edith Anne Brown born 1888 My Grandma was Alice Burdon (nee) Brown Born 1890 died in 1959. They had three bothers Fred George Brown Born 1887. Charles Edward Brown Born 1895 & Calverley Richard Brown born 1897. Both Charles & Calverly died in action in the WW1. They had another sister called Elizabeth Maria Born 1893 and apparently died the next year in 1894.
Alice had two daughters: my mum Beatrice Alice & my aunt Edith Annie who was married to a Jim Armstrong. (I think you were getting confused with linking the name Armstrong with your Grandma) Incidentally I found Edith Anne Brown's name whilst my son & I were looking up Cookey House & Hothfield Place!

Alice Burdon(nee) Brown lived in Rose Cottage Burtersett Hawes Nth Yorkshire.
The cottage Charles Brown her father had bought when he retired as a gamekeeper. Alice's husband had died when my mother was two & her sister my aunt Edith about four. So the story goes she & the girls moved to Yorkshire for a better quality of life & for Alice to keep Home for her father. ( I do have a photo of Edith in a military jacket.) Hope to hear from you Fiona, regards Tessa.

Edith A B Burdon (daughter of Alice Brown and John)

England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about James A Armstrong
Name: James A Armstrong
Spouse Surname: Burdon * (Edith A B Burdon)
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Registration district: Northumberland South
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 672

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One of those lines on Ancestry has a pic of Alice??? at Rose Cottage.


Maureen

Wow, many thanks for all this information. Where has the name Armstrong come from?

All seems to fit with what I know but, was she mrried before and he died? Plenty for me to look into.

again thanks for your help.

fiona

Nice one Chris, the mothers maiden was Varney :-)

Baptism (Find My Past)

Edith Annie Varney Brown
Baptism Day 2
Baptism Month Dec
Year 1888
Place Hothfield
County Kent
Abode Hothfield
Relationship Daughter of
Father's First Name Charles Edward
Mother's Given Name Alice
Parent's Occupation Gamekeeper
Hothfield baptisms 1662-1911
Record set Kent Baptisms

Chris :)

There is an extensive tree at Ancestry that has Edith Anne Brown born 20th Aug 1888 in Kent


Births Sep 1888

BROWN Edith Annie V W. Ashford 2a 745


This is one of her siblings



UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919

Name:Calverley Richard Brown

Birth Place:Beamish, Durham

Residence:Corsham, Wilts

Death Date:9 Oct 1917

Death Location:France & Flanders

Enlistment Location:Trowbridge, Wilts

Rank:Private

Regiment:Duke of Edinburgh's (Wiltshire Regiment)

Battalion:6th Battalion

Number:18818

Type of Casualty:Killed in action

Theatre of War:Western European Theatre





BROWN, C R
Rank:PrivateService No:18818Date of Death:09/10/1917Age:19Regiment/Service:Wiltshire Regiment 6th Bn. Grave ReferenceFusilier Wood Memorial.CemeteryDUHALLOW A.D.S. CEMETERY
Additional Information:

Son of Charles Edward Brown; brother of Alice Burden (nee Brown), of 23, Somerset St., New Silksworth, Sunderland.



If this is her death reg, I suspect she 'shaved' a few years off her age, as many did!


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name:Edith A Hollins

Birth Date:abt 1895

Date of Registration:Dec 1962

Age at Death:67

Registration district:Cheadle

Inferred County:Staffordshire

Volume:9b

Page:141

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Charles Edward Brown
Name: Charles Edward Brown
Probate Date: 26 Mar 1942
Death Date: 4 Mar 1942
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Registry: Llandudno
of Rose Cattage,etc. Probate to Alice Burdon.(widow)
........
England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005 about Alice Brown
Name: Alice Brown
Spouse Surname: Burdon (John W)
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1918
Registration district: Houghton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 807
..........

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Alice Burdon
Name: Alice Burdon
Probate Date: 27 Jul 1959
Death Date: 27 Apr 1959
Death Place: Yorkshire, England
Registry: Yorkshire, England

Address again Rose Cottage Burtersett near Hawes probate to Edith Annie Armstrong married woman.


Maureen

Here's the same family in 1911. Edith's still not the expected age. Charles had had 7 children, 4 still living, 3 had died:


1911 England Census about Charles Edward Brown
Name: Charles Edward Brown
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wynyard Park, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Urpeth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Birtley S O Durham
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Game Keeper <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Chester le Street
Registration District Number: 554
Sub-registration district: Chester le Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 30106
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Edward Brown 53 born Wynyard Park, Durham
Edith Brown 22 b. New Forest, Hothfield, Kent
Alice Brown 21 - b. New Forest, Hothfield, Kent
Charles Brown 16 - gamekeeper's assistant, b. Cookey House, Lamesley, Durham
C R Brown 13 - b. Cookey House, Lamesley, Durham
J W Burdun 16 - visitor, b. Tunstall, Durham.



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Charles Edward Brown
Name: Charles Edward Brown
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1858
Registration district: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 97

Many thanks for this, you have been a real help.

fiona

sorry ...

Edith also born Hathfield, Kent

This is very promising, though on her death cert it says she was 67 in 1962.

does it say where she was born? It does'nt say on death cert.

fiona

This Charles is a gamekeeper but Edith's age is wrong

1901

Charles E Brown 40 - Gamekeeper -Wynyardlak, Durham,
Alice Brown 40 - Alford, Lincolnshire
Fred Brown 13
Edith Brown 12 -
Alice Brown 11 Hathfield, Kent
Charley Brown 6
Dick Brown 3

that sounds more promising.

fiona

Or maybe

1901

Edith Brown
Age:5
Estimated birth year:abt 1896

Relation to Head:
Daughter
Father:Charles Brown
Mother:Kate Brown
Birth Place:Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish:Aston
Ecclesiastical parish:St Anne
County/Island:Warwickshire

Charles Brown 28 - Carter on Farm
Kate Brown 29
Edith Brown 5
George Brown 2
Florence Brown 3 Months

Are you surre he was Charles Edward ?


Name:
Edward Charles Brown

Baptism Date:23 Jul 1865

Father's Name:Robert Brown
Mother's name:Mary Brown

Parish or Poor Law Union:Hoxton St John
Borough:Hackney
Register Type:Parish Registers

Green grocer . Could be. bit of a jump to a gamekeeper but not impossible i suppose.

thanks fiona