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There's 2 sorts of info I posted. Firstly, that Israel 1827-ish is your Israel's grandad - the d.cert obviously is his.
To see this, track your rellies back thru the census - the key one is 1871:
1871
Israel S Pitchford Self M 43 Malinslee, Shropshire
Catherine Pitchford Wife F 41 Madley, Shropshire
Adam Pitchford Son M 18 West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Israel Pitchford Son M 17 Sedgley, Staffordshire
Ebenezer Pitchford Son M 15 Sedgley, Staffordshire
Jabez Pitchford Son M 11 Wittenhall, Staffordshire
Amelia Pitchford Daughter F 9 Warrington, Lancashire
Joseph Pitchford Son M 7 Warrington, Lancashire
Catherine Pitchford Daughter F 6 Warrington, Lancashire
Eleanor Pitchford Daughter F 3 Warrington, Lancashire
Lydia Pitchford Daughter F 0 Bolton, Lancashire
Hannah Wase Servant F 24 Madeley, Shropshire
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBF2-274
You can also track Israel Snr back to 1841 - I don't have any sub, so I'm looking for the h/h of
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRJ-ZVP
Ancestry mistranscibes his forename, so search for IS*L if you're using Ancestry - alternatively serach
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8978
for Piece 904; Book: 10; Folio: 40; Page: 23;
I think he's living with Stephen & Eleanor Pitchford, who are probably his parents. If that were the case, then of relevance is:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKCM-VYB
Incidentally, in my parents' generation, of 10 children, 3 were named with my grans' maiden surnames as mid-names, and another 2 were named with my g grans' maiden surnames as mid-names.
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One can buy BMD certs from either the local office that now holds the original registers (or a copy in the case that a church marr is recorded in the church's official marr rego).
Pre-1899, only C of E, jews & quakers (and the registrars) were authorized to keep official marr rego's.
Post-1898, most non-conformists could be authorized (but not RCs until the 1980s). One can also buy an m.cert from the church if they're still holding the register, but when the registers are full, and the quarterly copying and checking is completed, the full rego's are deposited in some archive, usually the county records office.
Non-conformists could still perform marrs, but the local registrar would need to attend with an official rego for the couple to sign to complete the ceremony.
At the end of each quarter, when copies of the local rego's were prepared to be sent to the GRO, the registrar for each subdistrict in the RD (Registration District) would have the births & deaths for the last quarter copied out on the special GRO forms (which often had twice as many entries per page as the local register books).
After the District Superintendent had checked them, they were bundled together, subdistrict after subdistrict, and sent to the GRO whotook the whole districts births and bound them along with other RDs, usually from the same county, into volumes, then indexed them.
Marrs were handled similarly - here they go church by church (often alphabetically by parish), followed by the copies of the registrar's own regos.
I haven't looked at ordering within the whole district much, but from my limited experience, the subdistrict ordering often is the same as the census piece #s - here's Warrington piece #s in 1901:
WARRINGTON RD RG12
Newton in Makerfield 3069-3071
Winwick 3072
Sankey 3073
Warrington 3074-3080
Latchford 3081
Rixton 3082
Some local indexes are online - see: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
Since one purpose of these indexes is to enable someone to know exactly which cert they wish to purchase, they sometimes contain difft info from the GRO index, e.g.:
Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
Pitchford Lydia Bolton 8c 339
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1870
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PITCHFORD Lydia Eastern Bolton Bolton LUCKOCK EB/63/142
Because of the difft way their holdins are structured, the primary search keys for the GRO are RD and quarter, whilst for the local level, it's subdistrict/church and register #.
So the local ref must hold that info, e.g., EB/63/142.
Here, they decode the first element (the church/subdistrict code) of EB as Eastern Bolton - real tough guess, eh
[Clicking on "Bolton" in the FreeBMD hit, then the more info "here" link, lists all the subdistricts that ever were in Bolton RD]
The 2nd element of most local refs is the register # within the church/subdistrict series, and the last element is either a page # or an entry #.
[Marrs usually are entry #s, so one can say who wed whom, even pre-1912]
One might also find the local index indexes by year of birth, rather than year of registration.
One might also find an age at death pre-1866 in a local index.
Sometimes one needs to see the postal application form to find the local ref
Births
1854q1 Pitchford Israel Shepherd Dudley 6c 88
1856q1 PITCHFORD Ebenezer Dudley 6c 73
1860q1 PITCHFORD Jabez Wolverhampton 6b 488
1862q1 PITCHFORD Laura Amelia Warrington 8c 155
1864q1 PITCHFORD Joseph Warrington 8c 182
1865q1 PITCHFORD Catherine Hannah Warrington 8C 163
1867q3 Pitchford Eleanor Warrington 8c 158
1870q3 Pitchford Lydia Bolton 8c 339
1872q3 PITCHFORD Samuel Warrington 8c 161
http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Israel S Sedgley Dudley Register Office SEG/042/65
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Ebenezer Sedgley Dudley Register Office SEG/048/146
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One wonders if this is your Israel's g aunt
Births Jun 1853 (>99%)
PITCHFORD Eleanor Shepherd Dudley 6c 104
Deaths Jun 1854 (>99%)
Pitchford Eleanor Shepherd Dudley 6c 30
Here're the local index entries:
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Eleanor S Dudley (DUD) Dudley Register Office DUD/049/286
West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Eleanor S Sedgley Dudley Register Office SEG/024/242
Eleanor wasn't born in Sedgley subdistrict, and we know both Israel and Ebeneezer were both born in Sedgley subdistrict.
However, Eleanor died in Sedgley subdistrict in between the 2 boys' births, so we can conclude Eleanor's parents must have moved between her birth & her death, and it does strengthen my view that Eleanor was your Israel's g aunt (without proving it).
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thank you again for the information ..it is really good of you ..mgnv I do not know how you got the info but thanks again
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"arithmetic shortcomings"? mgnv did i miss something?...
oh I see, have removed the incorrect assumption, the lack of a date for one of the census entries posted above evidently threw me and I didn't notice the ages, well I am sure Keith can work it out. :-)
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The d.cert you ask abt is your Israel's grandad - here's the 3 marrs:
http://www.shropshirebmd.info/
Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1852
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Israel S LUCKOCK Catharine Madeley Register Office or Registrar Attended Shrewsbury RO-B-M/3/58
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1876 to 1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Israel MADDOCK Mary Warrington, St Elphin Warrington C25/10/295
SHEPHERDPITCHFORD Israel MADDOCK Mary Warrington, St Elphin Warrington C25/10/295
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PITCHFORD Israel S KEAN Ruby M Warrington, Methodist Church (Bewsey Road) Warrington A34/2/38
Don't become mislead by Rose's arithmetic short-comings. [EDIT: Rose has fixed this now]
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Just to round it off, the other son born 1912
Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
Pitchford Bernard Kean Warrington 8c 451
Good luck it with your tree Keith
:-)
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gosh thanks so much ...
rose and every body else ..I had gotten really lost
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This will be parents marriage,
NAME: Israel Shepherd Pitchford
GENDER: Male
AGE: 21
BIRTH DATE: 1855
MARRIAGE DATE: 22 Mar 1876
MARRIAGE PLACE: Warrington, Lancaster, England
FATHER: Israel Shepherd Pitchford
SPOUSE: Mary Maddock
FHL FILM NUMBER: 1562972
REFERENCE ID: v48 p148 rn295
EDITED to correct mistake!
NAME: Eleanor Pitchford
BIRTH DATE: 12 Jul 1867
GENDER: Female
EVENT TYPE: Baptism
FATHER: Israel Shepherd Pitchford <<<<<
MOTHER: Catherine <<<<<<<
BAPTISM DATE: 1 Sep 1867
BAPTISM PLACE: Lancaster, England
DENOMINATION: Wesleyan Methodist
PIECE TITLE: Piece 0028: Warrington Circuit (Wesleyan Methodist): Baptisms and Births, 1837-1870
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NAME: Israel Shepherd Pitchford
REGISTRATION YEAR: 1909
REGISTRATION QUARTER: Jan-Feb-Mar
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Warrington
PARISHES FOR THIS REGISTRATION DISTRICT: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
INFERRED COUNTY: Lancashire
VOLUME: 8c
PAGE: 322
RECORDS ON PAGE:
NAME
Ruby May Kean
Israel Shepherd Pitchford
Samuel Price
Ruby May Rean
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and his death I would think
NAME: Israel Shepherd Pitchford
BIRTH DATE: 3 Apr 1886
DATE OF REGISTRATION: Mar 1976
AGE AT DEATH: 89
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Hove
INFERRED COUNTY: East Sussex
VOLUME: 18
PAGE: 1582
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Keith just for ref this is the 1911 census
NAME: Israel Shephard Pitchford
AGE IN 1911: 25
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1886
RELATION TO HEAD: Head
GENDER: Male
BIRTH PLACE: Warrington, Lancashire, England
CIVIL PARISH: Warrington
COUNTY/ISLAND: Lancashire
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS: 16 Pinewood Avenue
MARITAL STATUS: Married
OCCUPATION: Wire Drawer
REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Warrington
REGISTRATION DISTRICT NUMBER: 459
SUB-REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Warrington
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 15
PIECE: 23145
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Israel Shephard Pitchford 25
Ruby May Pitchford 23
Arnold Pitchford 1
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Hi think I have got lost on this I will have to start again.
.the Israel I am looking for only had two children and his wife was named Ruby ..
they married in Warrington and at a later date moved to Brighton ..I think their children were both born in Warrington in about 1909 and another in about 1912 .
this is so frustrating ..thanks for all the info .
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Israel who died in 1901 also had a fair sized family.
1881
Name: Israel Pitchford
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Catherine Pitchford
Gender: Male
Where born: Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Arthur Street
Marital Status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Iron Roller
Registration district: Warrington
Sub registration district: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3793
Folio: 20
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Israel Pitchford 53
Catherine Pitchford 52
Adam Pitchford 28
Jabez Pitchford 21
Laura A. Pitchford 19
Joseph Pitchford 17
Catherine Pitchford 16
Elinor Pitchford 13
Lydia Pitchford 9
Samuel Pitchford 7
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The younger israel is the son I believe
jude
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thanks to everybody . for the information ..I was spelling it wrong ..no wonder I could not find him ..I think the Israel Pitchford married to Mary maybe my ggrandad as the Israel I am looking for only had two children ..I
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Rose Freebmd is working now.....
Jude
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re Freebmd, Are you putting in the first name correcty, it is ISRAEL, not Isreal as you have spelt it on this thread!
Joan.
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Quite some family
Israel S Pitchford 47
Mary Pitchford 45
Laura A Pitchford 22
Joseph Pitchford 19
Elizabeth Pitchford 17
Israel S Pitchford 15
George Pitchford 12
John Pitchford 10
Harold Pitchford 5
Gertrude Pitchford 5
Ethel Pitchford 4
Elsie Pitchford 2
Israel S Pitchford 74
Andy
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I cannot seem to find it on free bmd ..I will use those numbers so thank you .I must need new glasses
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It is on free bmd:
Deaths Dec 1901
Pitchford Israel 74 Warrington 8c 154
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