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This is the Samuel Dye family that I found in the 1841 census now in the 1851 census

Name: Samuel Dye
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Dye
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Tasburgh
Ecclesiastical parish: Depwade
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County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Depwade
Sub-registration district: Harleston
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 1821
Folio: 639
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Dye 44 occ Wheelwright & Carpenter
Mary Dye 43 b Thorp
Ann Dye 19
Isreal Dye 16
Samuel Dye 14
Mary Dye 10
James Dye 7
George Dye 5
Deborah Dye 3
Hannah Dye 1


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This is the Samuel Dye family that I found in the 1841 census now in the 1861 cencus. You'll note that Samuel Dye is now a Farmer as per the occupation of Groom's Father on the Marriage Certificate of George Dye & Martha Keates

Name: Samuel Dye
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Dye
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton Flotman, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Newton Flotman
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Henstead
Sub-registration district: Humbleyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 1224
Folio: 8
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Dye 54 occ Farmer of 50 acres employing 3 Labourers
Mary Dye 53
George Dye 15
Deborah Dye 13
Hannah Dye 12
Alfred Dye 10
Elizabeth Dye 8 b Newton Flotman
Samuel Dye 72 b Newton Flotman Lodger (could this be Samuel's Father?)

Rest of family born Tasburgh

I have now found the image of the marriage of Charles Dye and Martha Keates; for some reason it has not been transcribed.

Date: 15 March 1852. St John the Baptist, Hoxton
Groom: Charles Dye. Full Age
Occupation: Carpenter
Groom's Father's Name: Samuel Dye occ Farmer
Bride: Martha Keates. Full Age
Bride's Father's Name: Joseph Keates
Occupation: Stone Mason
Residence for both: Hoxton Town

Witnesses: Wm Thirkettle (looks like) & Emma Thorp

Charles signed his name. Martha gave her mark.

Possible 1841 census for Charles George's Father....Charles

Charles b 1830 Tasburgh

Others living with him

Samuel b 1811 occ Wheelwright
Mary b 1811
Ann b 1832
Isreal b1834
Samuel b 1836
Frederick b 1838
Mary b 1840 (7 months) could this be the sister in the 1861 census?

All born in County

Censuses for Charles George

1901 census has
Charles (George) b 1853 Hoxton occ Railway Checker
Mary Ann b 1860 Twickenham
Daisy Annie b 1878 Hoxton

1891 census has
Charles George b 1853 Shoreditch occ Carpenter
Mary Ann b 1855 Twickenham
Charles Ernest b 1878 Shoreditch
Daisy Ann b 1878 Shoreditch
Albert Edward b 1882 Shoreditch

1881 census has
Chas Geo b 1853 Shoreditch occ Carpenter
Mary Ann b 1854 Twickenham
Chas b 1876 St Lukes Middlesex
Daisy b 1878 Shoreditch

1871 census confirmed by the same address on Marriage Cert of Charles George and Mary Ann (43 Maria St)

Chas b 1853 Hoxton occ Carpenter
Father Charles b 1830 Lasburgh Norfolk (possibly Tasburgh Norfolk) occ Wheelwright
Mother Martha b 1827 Yambrook Somerset
Alfred b 1853 Hoxton
Isabella b 1860 Norwich Norfolk
Jas b 1862 Shoreditch

1861 census
Charles b 1853 Shoreditch
Father Charles b 1830 Fasburch Norfolk (possibly Tasburgh)
Mother Martha b --1823 Bradley Somerset
Alfred b 1853 Shoreditch
Frederick b 1857 Shoreditch
Isabella b 1860 Norwich Norfolk
Mary Dye b 1841 Tasburgh Norfolk (sister)

Thanks for all the various lots of information. I think the Charles Dye age 22, journeyman carpenter, in the 1851 census must be a different one as he was born in Norfolk and according to the other record you sent me Charles George was born in London.
Daisy and Albert are definitely my G/Aunt & Uncle as I know about them. Have Daisy's husband's name and their death records, but again have 2 different wives for Albert!

The address given for both Charles G and Mary Ann on their Marriage Cert is 43 Maria St which is the same address on the 1871 census for Charles and Martha (19:01 post above)

For info the birth date given for Charles Ernest on the image of the baptism of Rambling Rose post of 18:32 is 18/12/1875 and address is 29 Forston St

PM received from Inez

My Grandfather was Charles Ernest Dye, born on Moxton New Town,Middlesex18/12/1875. He was in the British Army & married my Grandmother there in 1905. He died there in 1920.
His Father was Charles George Dye, born c1853 who married a Mary Ann Phillips on 7/3/1875 at St John the Baptist Church, Shoreditch. I can't trace her family (too many names the same) or any further back on Charles George. Thank you

I have explained to Inez how to add to his Thread

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Albert Edward Dye
Name: Albert Edward Dye ( police constable)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Age: 24
Spouse: Maggie Ann Appleby
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Dec 1906
Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Southfields
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Charles George Dye (railway checker)
Spouse Father: David Appleby
Register Type: Parish Register

1911 England Census about Charles George Dye
Name: Charles George Dye
Age in 1911: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Haxton, Old Town, Middlesex
Civil Parish: Dagenham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 47 Kenneth Road, Chadwell Heath, Essex
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Railway Roads Checker
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Romford
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 162
Piece: 9843
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles George Dye


Possible?
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Charles George Dye
Name: Charles George Dye
Probate Date: 29 Oct 1920
Death Date: 20 Mar 1920
Death Place: Essex, England
Registry: London, England
Administration left to Albert edward Dye ( seaman)

1901 England Census about Charles Dye
Name: Charles Dye
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary Ann
Birth Place: Hoxton, London, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 281
Folio: 29
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Dye 48
Mary Ann 41
Daisy Annie 23
Albert Gardener 28
Walter Gerdelstone 20
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NAME: Charles Ernest Dye
AGE: 13
ESTIMATED BIRTH YEAR: abt 1878
RELATION: Son
FATHER'S NAME: Charles George Dye
MOTHER'S NAME: Mary Ann Dye
GENDER: Male
WHERE BORN: Shoreditch, London, England
CIVIL PARISH: Shoreditch
ECCLESIASTICAL PARISH: Haggerston St Mary
TOWN: London
COUNTY/ISLAND: London
COUNTRY: England
STREET ADDRESS:

OCCUPATION:

CONDITION AS TO MARRIAGE:

EDUCATION:

EMPLOYMENT STATUS:

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REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Shoreditch
SUB REGISTRATION DISTRICT: Haggerston
ED, INSTITUTION, OR VESSEL: 13
NEIGHBORS: View others on page
PIECE: 252
FOLIO: 149
PAGE NUMBER: 29
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
NAME AGE
Charles George Dye 38
Mary Ann Dye 36
Charles Ernest Dye 13
Daisy Ann Dye 13
Albert Edwd Dye 9

Could be this one in 1851 as he is a journeyman carpenter.

1851 England Census about Charles Dye
Name: Charles Dye
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Marham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

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Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 1495
Folio: 313
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Norman 21
Charles Dye 22

Possible
Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)
Dye Charles Shoreditch 1c 281
Keates Martha Shoreditch 1c 281

1861 England Census about Isabella Dye
Name: Isabella Dye
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Dye
Mother's name: Martha Dye
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Piece: 245
Folio: 41
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Dye 31
Martha Dye 38
Charles Dye 8
Alfred Dye 8
Frederick Dye 4
Isabella Dye 1
Mary Dye 20 ( sister)

This would appear to be the link with Norfolk



1871 England Census about Isabella Dye
Name: Isabella Dye
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Dye
Mother's name: Martha Dye
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad Haggerstone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston West
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 52
Piece: 463
Folio: 64
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Dye 41 <<<<<<<<<wheelwright
Martha Dye 44
Chas Dye 18
Alfred Dye 18
Isabella Dye 11
Jas Dye 9
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Yes looks likely Charles George is a carpenter
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Mary Ann Phillips
Name: Mary Ann Phillips
Age: Full
Spouse: Charles George Dye
Spouse Age: Full
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Mar 1875
Parish: St John, Hoxton
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Edward Phillips
Spouse Father: Charles Dye >>>>>>>>wheelwright
Register Type: Parish Register

Add, one of the witnesses is an Isabella Dye

Possible


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)

DYE Charles George Shoreditch 1c 255
Phillips Mary Ann Shoreditch 1c 255

To be certain of mother's maiden name you could order this cert

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Daisy Annie Dye
Name: Daisy Annie Dye
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Shoreditch
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Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 99

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Daisy Annie Dye
Name: Daisy Annie Dye
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Sep 1877
Father's Name: Charles George Dye
Mother's name: Mary Ann Dye
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

For ages

1881 England Census about Chas. Dye
Name: Chas. Dye
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Chas. Geo. Dye
Mother: Mary Ann Dye
Gender: Male
Where born: St. Lukes, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Leonards Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 47 Maria St.
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 402
Folio: 75
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Chas. Geo. Dye 28 b shoreditch
Mary Ann Dye 27 Twickenham
Chas. Dye 5
Daisy Dye 3
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