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Alice Louisa Burgess was my father's older sister born in Wisbech Workhouse on 27/01/1906.
She is in the 1911 census for the workhouse as Annie Louisa and I then have a record that she and the rest of the family - mother Elizabeth, my father William Edward (birth registered as Archibald William) and Lily May(fathers unknown) were re-admitted to the workhouse on 02/04/1914. I can find no record of her after that date.
Their mother Elizabeth married a fellow inmate Joseph Flowers (who may have been Lily's father) in 1915 and died in 1918. Flowers subsequently remarried in 1922. I believe that at some point my father was placed in some kind of boys home or orphanage so the same may have happened to Alice.
I apologise if this is rather confused but would greatly appreciate any suggestions as to how I can further my search.

Well going back, looking at 1901 Wisbech, is she below?...

Chris :)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Terrington St Clement
Church name St Clement
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1831
Baptism date 23 Sep 1883
Person forename Elizabeth Mary
Person sex F
Person abode Terrington
Father forename Job
Father surname BURGESS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Rachel
Register note At St James

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above free link)


Marriages Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Burgess Elizabeth M Flowers Newark 7b 683
Flowers Joseph E Burgess Newark 7b 683

edits (I take it you have seen Wisbech Workhouse Admissions etc.)

I see according to the 1915 marriage, her mother was Elizabeth M Burgess.

If she was re-admitted to the workhouse in 1914, this won't be relevant then....

Alice Louisa Burgess in the Web: Queensland, Australia, Immigration Indexes, 1848-1972
Name: Alice Louisa Burgess
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1907
Arrival Date: 1912
Arrival Place: Queensland, Australia
Source Card Name: Elizabeth M Burgess
Title: Card Index to Nominated Immigrants 1908 to 1922
Item ID: 868949
Ref:IMM/322
Microfilm: Z7720
Original URL: https://data.qld.gov.au/datase...

Chris Ho, that is definitely Alice's mother and I do have that info thank you although I hadn't come across the freereg site so thanks for that. The only knowledge I have of the Wisbech Workhouse admissions is that researched for me by Cambridgeshire Archives and frustratingly their records are patchy.

PricklyHolly
That's even more frustrating !! The details fit exactly but Alice is definitely registered as being re-admitted to the workhouse in 1914. I don't suppose she could have returned in the interim ??

You are obviously both far more experienced in research than I am . Thank you, I shall no doubt be back for more advice

Is it 100% certain that Alice/Annie was readmitted in 1914?

and I can't see a birth for a Lily May?

If you go to the source of the record PH posted, it looks as if Alice was travelling with Archibald William (1) and Elizabeth Mary (28); unlike other entries, no ships name is given.

https://data.qld.gov.au/dataset?q=Card+Index&sort=score+desc%2C+metadata_modified+desc

Click on

Card index to nominated immigrants 1908 to 1922

Then click on Nominated immigrants 1908 to 1922

And then Visualisation Preview, to bring up the database; put Burgess in the search box.

I wonder did the whole family go to Australia and then return?

Possibly they just enquired about emigrating - this from the above site:

Cards also exist for persons who made inquiries about immigration to Queensland, rejected applicants, applicants who returned to their country of origin etc. In many cases one member of the family came out alone, then nominated the remaining family members who followed later.

You can purchase the cards for A£6.00

Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Burgess Eileen M Wisbech 3b 530

(not above was it?)

Chris :)

Births Mar 1906 (>99%)
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Burgess Alice Louisa Wisbech 3b 519

Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
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BURGESS Archibald William Wisbech 3b 527

Birth
338/WIS/41/444 BURGESS Lilian E 1914

(if above, from below. Cambridge Births : Marriages : Civil Partnerships : Deaths )

https://www.camdex.org.uk/search.cfm


edits (no, looking at Rose below, ignore!, lol)

My apologies, I was looking at Wisbech for a birth

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Flowers Lilian M Burgess Spalding 7a 732
Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
FLOWERS Rachel E Burgess Newark 7b 950
Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Flowers Dorothy Burgess Lincoln 7a 857

Parents married in Newark

me First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1915 (>99%)

Burgess Elizabeth M Flowers Newark 7b 683
Flowers Joseph E Burgess Newark 7b 683

what about the other two births?

Archibald William Burgess in the Web: Queensland, Australia, Immigration Indexes, 1848-1972
Name: Archibald William Burgess
Age: 1
Birth Year: abt 1911
Arrival Date: 1912
Arrival Place: Queensland, Australia
Source Card Name: Elizabeth M Burgess
Title: Card Index to Nominated Immigrants 1908 to 1922
Item ID: 868949
Ref: IMM/322
Microfilm: Z7720
Original URL: https://data.qld.gov.au/datase...

Elizabeth Mary Burgess in the Web: Queensland, Australia, Immigration Indexes, 1848-1972
Name: Elizabeth Mary Burgess
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1884
Arrival Date: 1912
Arrival Place: Queensland, Australia
Source Card Name: Elizabeth M Burgess
Title: Card Index to Nominated Immigrants 1908 to 1922
Item ID: 868949
Ref: IMM/322
Microfilm: Z7720
Original URL: https://data.qld.gov.au/datase...

So are you saying below is him?...

(where was he born, or age, do you have 1915 Marriage Cert. to Elizabeth?)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%)
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FLOWERS Joseph Richardson Mutford 4a 2653
GODBOLD Bessie E Grint Mutford 4a 2653
Grint William G Godbold Mutford 4a 2653
RICHARDSON Ethel M Flowers Mutford 4a 2653


Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
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Flowers Elizabeth 35 Lincoln 7a 1105

I think you're all wonderful !!
Rambling Rose, I had been trying, on and off, for years to find any trace of Lily May without any success until Cambs Archives found her in the 1914 admissions, born in Spalding. I eventually found her as Lily May Flowers, Elizabeth having given her name as Flowers, previously Burgess, although they were not married until 2 years later.

Potty, I'm absolutely amazed at what you've found ! How do I purchase the other cards you speak of ?
I'm sure you will realise that I am a novice researcher

I'm assuming this is Joseph's death

Deaths Mar 1923 (>99%)
Flowers Joseph E 46 Boston 7a 502

sorry I had missed that Rachel E Flowers sadly died soon after birth
Deaths Jun 1915 (>99%)
Flowers Rachel E 0 Newark 7b 533

Well, I only followed on from PH's post about Alice Louisa. This is probably a better link to the website:

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/Indexes/Immigration/Pages/NominatedImmigrants1908.aspx

It has info on what the cards are and what info they contain and also how to order a card. You would only need to buy one as there is only one card per family.

Given that your Burgesses don't have a ship recorded, I would think that they either just enquired about immigration or were rejected.

Rambling Rose

I didn't know of the existence of Rachel Flowers !! I haven't searched for any connections on that side so far, as I know my father hated him.
It's all beginning to fill in the picture, Thank you

Are you sure Elizabeth died 1918...

Chris :)

07 April 1923 - Lincolnshire Standard and Boston Guardian - Boston

DEATH.
We regret record the death of Mr. Joseph Edward Flowers, of 10, Threadneedle Street which occurred at Boston Hospital early on Friday morning subsequent to an operation for appendicitis. He was 46 years. The family mourners were, Mrs Flowers (widow) Mr. J. Flowers (brother) Mr. and Mrs. Charles Smith, Mrs. Bishop and Mrs. Storr.


Births Jun 1878 (>99%)
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Flowers Joseph Edmund Peterbro' 3b 238

(if above)

Tigsmum said he remarried in 1922:

???
Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
Flowers Joseph Chamberlain Boston 7a 1115
CHAMBERLAIN Florence B Flowers Boston 7a 1116

One of the page numbers is mistranscribed.
EDIT: It's Joseph's page number which is wrong. I've added a postem.

Yes Elizabeth died in 1918 and Flowers subsequently re-married in 1922.
I'm sorry if I've not given you all the info I have but initially my post was to try to find more about Alice.
This is now very exciting because it occurs to me that the person who nominated them in Queensland could actually be the childrens' ( Alice and William/Archibald) father ! The only thing I ever knew about him was that my Dad said he"went down with Kitchener" i.e. HMS Hampshire so if I can find a connection between the nominator and HMS Hampshire (I know of that website) there's just an outside chance he might be my grandfather"" :-D

Would like to know all details from 1915 Marriage Cert....

Chris :)

http://www.hmshampshire.co.uk/

(looks to be above)


edits (from Australian Newspapers, 2 so far, searched by hms hampshire)

G F Flexman (dated 5th June 1941)

Ernest Frederick Flexman (inserted by his sister, Gladys Dance, and Chum) The Brisbane Courier Qld. Monday 7 June 1926 (probably same as GF)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y


Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Dance Arthur F C Flexman Reading 2c 1220
Flexman Gladys Dance Reading 2c 1220


Births Jun 1893 (>99%)
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Flexman Gladys Edmonton 3a 408

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
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Flexman Ernest Frederick Pancras 1b 188

(possibly above)

Just for ref Florence B Flowers in 1939, widow, later married Ellis.

Davis Household (2 People)
"Brompt House" Highfields Lane , Spalding R.D., Lincolnshire (Parts of Holland), England

Florence B Elleis (Flowers) 12 Aug 1884 Paid Housekeeper

John T Davis 17 Mar 1872 Sewer Foreman Spalding Urban District Counci

Chris Ho

02/03/1915 Joseph Edward Flowers,bachelor, 36 years old (?can't read) labourer
Elizabeth Mary Burgess spinster, aged 31 , general servant
address for both given as 6 Tallents (?) Buildings, Water Lane, Newark

I don't understand your reference to the HMS Hampshire website, which certainly has a connection with my Dad but to the best of my knowledge Flowers was his stepfather.