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Sorry ArgyllGran you was right William Norrish senior was born in Chard and was the brother of Edwin Norrish.

rootgatherer the William that married an Emma in 1897 was the son of Edwin.

Seem to be drawing dead ends with them now, I'm wondering if William born 1874 went to the USA as his grandfather went there for a while or maybe if his father was in Australia he went there hoping to join him, maybe I'm just clutching at straws I just don't know.

Anyway Thank you for all your help at least we made some progress

All the best

Wendy :-D

The William Frederick who was in the workhouse with "Elijah" in 1871 died aged 3 years.

Births Sep 1870
Norrish William Frederick Nottingham 7b 246

Deaths Sep 1873
Norrish William Frederick 3 Nottingham 7b 161

Ok Thanks rootgatherer :-D

Had another look and I think it was Edwin's son William who married Emma.

Hi ArgyllGran,

Yes I think the same as you and the William who married Emma in 1897 is not the one I'm looking for.

As for his father William I don't think he was the one born in Chard I think he was born in Sandford Devon. I'm going into Nottingham Archives today so will be able to get on Ancestry and do some digging.

Wendy

I don't think the William who married emma Brownett in 1897 (posted by RG on page 1) can be the right one.

At least, in both 1901 and 1911 his birth year is given as 1879:

William Norrish
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William Norrish
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Emma Norrish
Birth Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Radford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3183
Folio: 50
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Norrish 22
Emma Norrish 24
Dorothy Norrish 2


Also, his army record says he was 36 years and 2 months old in December 1914 - so born October 1878.

If you're sending for William F's birth cert, please come back and let us know what it says!

Thinking about Clara being born in Australia.

If William Norrish, born 1851 Chard (Edwin's brother) was indeed Clara's father, there's a tree on Ancestry which seems oblivious to his marriage to Elizabeth Wallace/Wallis - if he's the same William.

It says he married Esther Collingwood Watson in 1877 • Warrnambool, Victoria, Australia, and died in 1907 in Claremont, WA.
They had 12 children, but 8 of them died.

Presumably his birth:

Births Jun 1851 (>99%)
Norris William Chard 10 396

and death:

William Norrish
in the Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: William Norrish
Death Place: Western Australia
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Place: Claremont, Western Australia
Registration Number: 14
From another tree:

The following report appeared in the Kalgoorlie Western Argus newspaper on 29 Jan 1907 as follows :-

"GOING TO KARRAKATTA" Perth Jan 25

William Norrish, a french polisher in James Street, Perth, an elderly man, was found this afternoon near the Karrakatta Cemetery with a bullet wound through his head. A revolver was found by his side. The deed was done in the Church of England portion of the cemetery, a few feet from the grave of his wife, who died two years ago. This morning he met an undertaker's employee and said he was going to Karrakatta.
Another report said William was in "straitened" circumstances at the time.
In Jun 1899, there was a report of the property (cottage) at Vincent Street known as "Norrish's" being sold at a morgtagees auction.


If Clara was born in Melbourne in 1878, it looks as if he can't be her father, if he married Esther in 1877.

But perhaps he and Elizabeth went out to Australia some time between 1872 (or 1874 if William Frederick is their child) and 1877 (wish I could find some record), and separated . Then maybe Elizabeth had another partner who was Clara's father.

All supposition!
Maybe that William isn't the one who married Elizabeth, after all.

Thanks anyway Chris. Cannot find anything on William Norrish aft 1881.

Wendy

(aah!, forget that then!)

Chris :)

Hi Chris,

That makes him born 1879 and there was a William Norrish born Sept 1878 the one I'm looking for was born 1874.

Wendy

(not sure if below relates?)

Chris :)

04 December 1948 - Nottingham Evening Post - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire

In Memoriam.
Norrish - William, treasured memories of a dear husband and father, died December 4th 1947. Always in our thoughts. Sadly Missed. Loving wife and family.


Deaths Dec 1947 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
Norrish William 69 Nottingham 3c 248

edits (his Burial on below, Northern Cemetery, Bulwell)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

Hi safc,

Thank you I may do that.

Wendy

1 member has clara moisey born nottingham 1902 in their tree

you could contact them for info ?

Hi ArgyllGran and safc,

Thank you so much for all your help, yes I agree that Elizabeth told a white lie abt her age on the marriage. I have lots to go on now to say yesterday I didn't know what happened to Elizabeth Ann Wallis and now I have 3 marriages children and grandchildren for her.

Wendy

Just to finish off Bessie's story:

Deaths Mar 1930 (>99%)
Russell Bessie 57 Honiton 5b 25

Travelling with husband J H Askew, a baker:

Mrs Lucy Askew
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Mrs Lucy Askew
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: abt 1886
Departure Date: 17 Sep 1913
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Philadelphia, USA
Ship Name: Dominion
Shipping line: American Line

OK Thank you ArgyllGran so not William's and Elizabeth daughter then so can leave her out.

Wendy

I wonder if Edwin's brother William could be the husband of your Elizabeth Norrish, and father of Bessie, and presumably Clara?

Elizabeth's age is a couple of years out from her actual birth on the marriage record, so William's could be too.

I did wonder if they might both have lied about their ages in order to get married - though their parents would have had to be in on that!

(That's assuming the marriage is the 1867 Derby one posted by safc yesterday at 18:34.)

Her parents in 1881:


Edwin Norrish
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Edwin Norrish
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Agnes Norrish
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Lenton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Britannia Square
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Lace Maker
Registration district: Nottingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3340
Folio: 56
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Norrish 27
Agnes Norrish 25
Elizabeth Norrish 4
William Norrish 2
Edwin Norrish
Emma Lee 14




Edwin Norrish
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Edwin Norrish
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Norrish
Mother's name: Elizabeth Norrish
Gender: Male
Where born: Tiverton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Snenton
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Radford
Sub-registration district: Snenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Piece: 2451
Folio: 29
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
William Norrish 31
Elizabeth Norrish 33
William Norrish 10
Edwin Norrish 8
Thomas Norrish 1