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Going slightly cross-eyed here so some steady eyes would be appreciated.


I am looking for the details of the parents of David Spink born 1891 in Walsall, Staffordshire and died 1955 in Wakefield. He married Laura Morton in 1912 in Heckmondwike and is stated to be a miner. His father is down as John William Spink (currier)


I think I have found John William on the 1871


Name:John W Spink
Age: 12
Estimated birth year:abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's name:James Spink
Mother's name: Mary Ann Spink
Gender: Male
Where born:Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish:St Matthew
Town:Walsall
County/Island:Staffordshire
Registration district:
Walsall
Sub-registration district:
Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel:
33
Household schedule number: 49
Piece:2965
Folio:26
Page Number:11

Household Members:
James Spink 47
Mary Ann Spink 50
James Spink 14
John W Spink 12
Clara Spink 10
David Spink 8
Mary J Spink 7
Alice Spink 5
Elizabeth Jackson 13


Can't pinpoint on the 1881

John William Spink on the 1891 - leather currier

Name: John W Spink
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah E Spink
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Piece: 2254 Folio: 90 Page Number:18

Household Members:
John W Spink 31
Sarah E Spink 32
Mary A Spink 12
Willm E Spink 9
Hannah Spink 6
Sarah Spink 5
Thomas Spink 3

Can't find John William on the 1901

(I think I have found David on the 1901 (FMP) on the registers of Palfrey Boys School, Walsall. His parents are named as 'Spink (Mrs Clews) John.'
Digging around a bit via the address given - 226 Sandwell St. Walsall, Mrs Clews appears to be a housekeeper.)


Cannot find a relative marriage for John William Spink and Sarah E.......?


Cannot pinpoint John William on 1911 but there is a death which would fit in that year. Mind you, David's marriage cert in 1912 doesn't state that his father is deceased.....but.........


All in all I am ready to throw my laptop through the window...............so any advice/clarification would be most welcome. Thank you.

1861
Name: John W Spink
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: 1859
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Spink
Mother's name: Hannah Spink
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 2017
Folio: 27
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
James Spink 37
Hannah Spink 36
Ellen Spink 17
James Spink 4
John W Spink 2
Clara Ann Spink 1/12
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Class: RG 9; Piece: 2017; Folio: 27; Page: 5; GSU roll: 542903

http://www.bridgeofweirmemorial.co.uk/profile-spink.html

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
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SPINK Thomas James Walsall 6b 716


(wouldn't be relating to above would he?, John W/Sarah, seems to have some Census details)

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
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Pricee Sarah Walsall 6b 791
SPINK William Walsall 6b 791


(from above link ...In 1901 William Spink, still a leather currier, was boarding with the Walden family in 35 Northampton Road, Walgrave, Northants.

By 1903, John William Spink, journeyman currier, had moved to 4 Windsor Place, Bridge of Weir. On 21st July he married Sarah McDade (43), a millworker from Bridgelinn, Bridge of Weir. John William is recorded as a widower and Thomas Spink was one of the witnesses.)

Chris :)

Thank you Maddie......I'd forgotten about that - I think I saw it last night but was too tired to register it in my brain. :-D

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Butts Street, Rushall, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Spink Head Married Male 21 1860 Currier Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Sarah Spink Wife Married Female 22 1859 - Staffordshire, England
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Polly Spink Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Staffordshire, England
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Thomas Brown Boarder Single Male 28 1853 Saddler Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Street, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Spink Head Married Male 28 1823 Brass Dresser Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Hanah Spink Wife Married Female 26 1825 Wife Derbyshire, England
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Ellen Spink Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 Scholar Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Thomas Spink Son Unmarried Male 0 1851 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Mary Hibbs Lodger Unmarried Female 26 1825 Bridle Sticher West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

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Field Value
County Staffordshire
Place Walsall
Church name St George
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 2
Marriage date 28 Jul 1878
Groom forename William
Groom surname SPINK
Groom age 19
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Walsall
Groom occupation Currier
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname PRICEE
Bride age 19
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Walsall
Groom father forename James
Groom father surname SPINK
Groom father occupation Case Hame Maker
Bride father forename George
Bride father surname PRICEE
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness George CLEWS
Witness Ellen CLEWS
Register note All Signed The Register With An X.
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Thank you.....I am going to check all those links now.......x

Notes the School Record states his last school as Riley Street Bd. London.

(seems to be below for reference)

Chris :)

17 September 1882 - Reynolds's Newspaper - London, London, England

litte girl named Lizize Jennings in the playground of the Riley-street Board School...


11 October 1889 - London Daily News - London, London, England

The strike mania has extended to the Bermondsey Board Schools.
On Wednesday it started among the boys at Riley-street school, and yesterday a procession of about 15 youngsters paraded through the streets, some of them armed with sticks...


Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Clews George 54 Walsall 6b 445

(above 'Mr. Clews')


Seems John William Married again 1903 Renfrewshire...

(states Married for him 1901)

Northampton Road, Walgrave, Brixworth, Northamptonshire
William Spink Boarder Married Male 41 1860 Currier Walsall, Staffordshire, England


edits (as below for 'Mrs Clews', image on FMP, notes a witness named Ann Spink!)


Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
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Close George Walsall 6b 706
Ratcliffe Ellen Walsall 6b 706

(so above pair the witnesses on 1878 Marriage posted by safc)


(and below possible for James Spink, looking at 1871)

Deaths Sep 1868 (>99%)
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Spink Hannah 42 Walsall 6b 458


Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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Boyard Mary Ann W. Bromwich 6b 903
Spink James W Bromwich 6b 903

(oh dear!, below article relates to Sarah, wife of John William Spink, who 'ran away' and left children, seems she went with Arthur Humpage, (he's on 1891) children 'left in a filthy state'. states 6 children, 14 12 8 7 5 and 18mths. The father had gone away in July, and did not return until he was arrested on warrant and convicted, he had previously gone away on 15th July, and from that time the children had had no one to take care of them. Thomas Henry Profitt, School Board officer, New Street, said between 1st February to June, the children were always dirty, and were running about the streets late at night uncared for...)

07 October 1893 - Walsall Advertiser - Walsall, West Midlands, England

SEQUEL TO AN ELOPEMfENT
Arthur Humpage, late of Wolverhampton Street, was charged with running away from Walsall...

(Sarah Spink article, same page. Previous article below)


05 October 1893 - Birmingham Daily Post - Birmingham, West Midlands

Walsall
At the Police Court, yesterday, Arthur Humpage, caster, Wolverhampton Street, and Sarah Spink, married woman, Peal Street, who, it was stated, had been...


(and perhaps Mrs Clews below!)

28 April 1894 - Walsall Advertiser - Walsall, West Midlands, England

LOCAL NEWS.
that she was Ellen Clews, aged 50, married woman, 36, Pool Street, Walsall, the woman was still suffering from the shock and immersion Sergeant deemed ...”

(intention of drowning herself, had lately been much troubled by the deaths, from consumption, of several members of her family. Husband promised to look closely after his wife in future)


1911 (Find My Past)
Clara Ann Spink Head Single Female Charwoman 50 1861 Walsall Staffordshire
Ellen Clews Sister Widow Female - 67 1844 Walsall Staffordshire
Mary Jane Hollowood Niece Single Female Warehouse Girl 23 1888 Walsall Staffordshire
Clara Ann Hollowood Niece Single Female Warehouse Girl 21 1890 Walsall Staffordshire
236 Sandwell St Walsall, Walsall, Staffordshire, England


Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
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Hollowood Alfred Walsall 6b 895
Spink Emily Alice Walsall 6b 895

(from below FMP, Father John, Bridge of Weir, Paisley, Renfrewshire. Brothers, William (at Sea) David (with father) Sisters, Mary Palmer, 19, Leroy street, Old Kent Rd., Hannah (not known)

(looks like he was residing with Mary Palmer, Trade, Turnover (Leather trade)

Spink Thomas James 1887 - 1904 British Army Service Records Walsall, Staffordshire, England (13/10/04)

Chris :)

Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
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Palmer Joseph Camberwell 1d 1534
SPINK Mary Adelaide Camberwell 1d 1534

(above image on Ancestry, Father, John William Spink, occ. Leather dresser) (1891, Orlando Street, Walsall, 1901, 234, Sandwell Street, Alice Emily Death 1899)


edits (looking at 1901 FMP, only 3 Mcdade for Bridge of Weir, Ann (b.1838 Widow) Sarah (b.1866) Patrick (b.1876) (notes occ. for Patrick, Tanner Labourer, so Leather would possibly link with JW perhaps!)

(although can't view image, guessing, lol)

Goodness me Chris.........I am so very grateful for all that info. Thank you. xx

Well it all got interesting Cynthia!, one of them bit like a good book, can't put it down, lol.

Hope all turned out well for those children.

Chris :)

I will persevere......who knows what may come next... :-D Thanks again. x

UPDATE

On his second marriage in 1903 John states he is a widower - but I sure can't find the death of his first wife Sarah. Can anyone else?

She was on the 1891 census but John is boarding in the 1901.

I am beginning to wonder about bigamy?

Wasn't sure what happened to Sarah either...(and Arthur Humpage back with his wife 1901!)

Chris :)

Thanks Chris. I do wonder if John put himself down as widower in the hope that no one would know him in Scotland? Another mystery. :(

Just looking at some of the information above- sorry if I'm rehashing stuff.

Name(s) Thomas James Spink
Birth year 1887
Birth parish Walsall
Birth county Staffordshire
Service number 4102
Regiment Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment) - 57th & 77th Foot
Year 1904
Attestation date 13 Oct 1904
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 10
Attestation service number 4102
Attestation corps Duke Of Cambridge'S Own (Middlesex Regiment)
Discharge corps Duke Of Cambridge'S Own (Middlesex Regiment)
Document type Attestation
Residence: 19 Leroy Street, Bermondsey, London, Surrey

Father: John Spink Bridge of Weir, Paisley, Renfrewshire.
Brother William: At sea
Brother David- with father
Sister Mary Palmer 19 Leroy Street, Old Kent Rd.
Sister Hannah Not Known
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So wondered if this was David (going by address of Leroy Street?)

London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: David Spink
Age: 5
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1891
School: Webb Street School
Borough: Southwark
Admission Date: 7 Sep 1896
Address: 62 Leroy Street
Notes: Webb Street School (0507) opened in 1880. Became the Grange Primary School in 1951
Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV08/WEB/AD/003
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Sister Mary marries 1901:

Name: Mary Adelaide Spink
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Age: 22
Spouse: Joseph Palmer
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 May 1901
Parish: St Chrysostom, Peckham
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John William Spink (Leather dresser)
Spouse Father: Nathaniel Palmer
Register Type: Parish Register
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and again in 1908:

Name: Mary Adelaide Palmer
[Mary Adelaide Spink]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Age: 27
Birth Date: 1881
Marriage Date: 26 Apr 1908
Marriage Place: St. John, Newington, Surrey, England
Father: John William Spink
Spouse: Joseph Newland
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Hannah's marriage:
Name: Hannah Maude Spink
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Age: 25
Spouse: Harry Harvey Brett
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 2 Oct 1910
Parish: St Thomas, Lambeth
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John William Spink (Currier)
Spouse Father: Henry James Brett
Register Type: Parish Register

(going back to 1878 Marriage posted by safc, below looks to be her, not sure if already added!)

(just adding, grass cutting break!)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Walsall
Church name St John
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 118
Baptism date 21 Mar 1860
Person forename Sarah Elizabeth
Person sex F
Person abode Pleck, Walsall
Father forename George
Father surname PREECE
Father occupation Miner
Mother forename Jane

(also, and possibly more using Soundex)

Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Pleck
Church name St John
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 119
Baptism date 21 Mar 1860
Person forename Charles
Person sex M
Person abode Pleck, Walsall
Father forename George
Father surname PREECE
Father occupation Miner
Mother forename Jane


Baptism
County Staffordshire
Place Pleck
Church name St John
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 466
Baptism date 29 May 1864
Person forename Ann Maria
Person sex F
Person abode Millington Yard, The Pleck, Walsall
Father forename George
Father surname PREACE
Father occupation Miner
Mother forename Jane

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1861 (Find My Past)
George Preast Head Married Male 25 1836 Ironstone Miner Great Barr, Staffordshire, England
Jane Preast Wife Married Female 24 1837 Screw Maker Leicestershire, England
Charles Preast Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Pleck, Leicestershire, England
Sarah Preast Daughter - Female 2 1859 Scholar Pleck, Leicestershire, England
Jane Preast Sister Unmarried Female 18 1843 - Pleck, Leicestershire, England
Street Old Queens Head
Parish Walsall
County Staffordshire
Municipal ward Walsall
Parliamentary borough Walsall
Ecclesiastical district St Johns
Registration district Walsall
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 2014
Folio number 84
Page number 5

(3 children Births, Staffs. Pleck on image!)


1871 (Find My Past)
George Priest Head - Male 39 1832 Miner - Staffordshire, England
Jane Priest Wife - Female 38 1833 - Staffordshire, England
James Priest Son - Male 14 1857 - Staffordshire, England
Sarah Priest Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Staffordshire, England
Charles Priest Son - Male 10 1861 - Staffordshire, England
Ann M Priest Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Staffordshire, England
Mary A Priest Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Staffordshire, England
George Priest Son - Male 3 1868 - Staffordshire, England
William Priest Son - Male 0 1871 - Staffordshire, England
Street Pleck
Parish Walsall
Town Walsall
City Walsall
County Staffordshire
Registration district Walsall
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 2961
Folio 129
Page 18


1881 (Find My Past)
George Priest Head Married Male 43 1838 Miner Coal Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Jane Priest Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Mary A Priest Daughter Single Female 15 1866 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
George Priest Son Single Male 13 1868 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
William Priest Son Single Male 10 1871 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Priest Son Single Male 8 1873 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Fredrick Priest Son Single Male 3 1878 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Street Horse Shoe Lane
Parish Walsall Foreign
County Staffordshire
Registration district Walsall
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 2823
Folio 149
Page 44


(possible below)

Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
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Gasby Jane Walsall 6b 741
Preece George Walsall 6b 741


County Staffordshire
Place Walsall
Church name St Matthew
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 383
Marriage date 13 Jun 1859
Groom forename George
Groom surname PREECE
Groom age 23
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Pleck
Groom occupation Miner
Bride forename Jane
Bride surname GASBY
Bride age 22
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Pleck
Groom father forename George
Groom father surname PREECE
Groom father occupation Miner
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname GASBY
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness Mark ASH
Witness Jane PREECE
Register note Groom, Bride & Witness 2 sign X


(somebody had relating I think on below, and bring that MC one here also!!)

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1331921?d=desc


(quick snippet, but probably more under surname variants, lol)

24 April 1858 - Staffordshire Advertiser - Stafford, Staffordshire, England

LEEK PETTY SESSIONS.—ApriI 14.
Before S. Stephens and J. Shannon. Esqrs.) Assault at Beerhouse. —George Preece and Joseph Southwell were charged Wm. Webster with having assaulted him at the Rose and Thistle beerhouse, Pleck, on Monday night. It appeared that drunken row had taken place ...”


Edits (below with Sarah)

County Staffordshire
Place Walsall
Church name St George
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 77
Marriage date 10 Sep 1883
Groom forename Denis
Groom surname MCGRATH
Groom age 18
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 3 Tantarra Street, Walsall
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Mary Ann
Bride surname PREECE
Bride age 19
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 59 Shoe Lane, Pleck, Walsall
Groom father forename Denis
Groom father surname MCGRATH
Groom father occupation Collier
Bride father forename George
Bride father surname PREECE
Bride father occupation Fish Dealer
Witness William SPINK
Witness Sarah SPINK
Register note Witness 2 Signed The Register With An X.

(above 1891, Pleck)

Thank you for all that......please don't worry if things are rehashed or repeated - I just appreciate everyone's efforts.

There is definitely some information there that I haven't seen - so I am very grateful :-D