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Other possible births, if her birth wasn't registered until October:

Births Dec 1918
Fisher Edna M Kearsley Wigan 8c 145
Gurry Edna M King W.Ham 4a 328
Gwynne Edna M Beard Chepstow 11a 13

Witnesses were Ada Norwood and John Norwood who lived near to Shire Lane Farm. They are on my tree and I know all about them. They knew nothing about her either. Both gone now. Nothing to kearn from them unfortunately.

Who were the witnesses on the Williams marriage Gwen? Any clues there?

Thanks Chris- yes, you're right, she is Ena Mary King Fisher- so not related.

Fischer surname is usually of German origin, many people in Britain changed to Fisher.

Just wondering if she was possibly Jewish?

Deaths Sep 1943 (>99%)
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FISHER Clare K 61 Bury St.E. 4a 842

(just to add above looks to be Father of Fisher/Harvey Marriage, some articles relating, in below, she is down as Ena Mary)

Bury Free Press - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk,

Chris :)

As there seems to be no obvious leads I'd be tempted to purchase the second marriage certificate to see if the details for her father are the same.

Interestingly Fischer is also listed as her maiden name on her daughter's birth index.

I only
have the Williams marriage certjficate. Father deceased Commercial Traveller.

I only
have the Williams marriage certjficate. Father deceased Commercial Traveller.

Probably not related, but just in case (as I don't see a birth that matches):

Marriage
First name(s) EDNA M K
Last name FISHER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1938
Spouse: RONALD A HARVEY
District BURY ST. EDMUNDS
County Suffolk
Volume 4A Page 3539

EDIT: Not related- this lady was likely Ena Mary King Fisher

(below from Abney Park Burials)

http://www.devsys.co.uk/ap/

Chris :)

Grave 173801
(Possibly renumbered as 63801)

Ashford, Elsie May (aged 54)
of 23 Amhurst Road, Hackney
1893 - 1947 (buried 31/07/1947)
Grave Location : F02

Well found, Dea!

I couldn't find it at all when I tried!

The image of the 1939 actually shows

Fischer Edna M

But then both Baker and Williams have been added .................... indicating that she must have married a Mr Baker AND a Mr Williams

Austin found the later marriage to Mr Baker :-)

It also looks as though Herbert and Elsie Ashford are the house owners, and Edna and Ruby are boarding or lodging there.

For reference:
1939:
Ashford Household (5 People) 23 Amhurst Road , Hackney, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Edna Williams M Baker (Fisher) 13 Sep 1918 Domestic Assistant (Hospital
Herbert C Ashford 16 Sep 1887 Electrician-Factory Maintenance
Elsie N Ashford 21 May 1893 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Raymond H Ashford 18 Mar 1915 Fitter (Aircraft)
Ruby E Cushway (Ashford) 24 Jul 1920 Shorthand Typist

Dea x

The 'K' also appears on her second marriage and her death:

Marriage: (do you have this certificate also? Do her father's details match her earlier marriage?)
First name(s) EDNA M K
Last name WILLIAMS
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1962
Spouse: ALFRED J BAKER
District AMERSHAM
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Volume 6A Page 579

Death:
First name(s) EDNA MARGARET K
Last name BAKER
Gender Female
Birth day 13
Birth month 9
Birth year 1918
Death quarter 4
Death year 2005
District CHILTERN
District number 3271B
Register number L14B
Entry number 020
Date of registration mm/yy 1105
County Buckinghamshire

does the marriage certificate have an occupation for Rainforth, and/or does it say deceased?

Her daughter says that her 3rd name was Kathleen. She named her daughter Kathleen BUT that is the only document that the K has appeared.

Her daughter says that her 3rd name was Kathleen. She named her daughter Kathleen BUT that is the only document that the K has appeared.

Her marriage registration shows that she had 3 names??

Marriages Sep 1941 (>99%)
Fischer Edna M K Williams Amersham 3a 4294
Williams Horace T Fischer Amersham 3a 4294


Do you have any idea what the 3rd forename was?? It should be on the marriage certificate.

Two Edna M Gunn's were born and births registered in the Sept quarter of 1918

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Gunn Edna M Regan Orsett 4a 806
Gunter Edna M Jefferies Bristol 6a 292

She MAY have listed herself as Single on the 1939 Register because a married woman may not have been allowed to work in that hospital.

I have come across that before

Thanks so much all you clever people. Edna Margaret Fischer born 13 September 1918. 1939 was lodging in Hackney listed as single. Domestic Assistant in a Hospital. Her identity card shows she was living Shire Lane Farm, Shire Lane,, Nr Tring in November 1940. Then a sticker over the top says living at Longfield, London Road, Knebworth on 9th Sep 1941. She then got married to Horace Williams on 27 September 1941 in Amersham and was resident back at Shire Lane Farm. I have a feeling that she may have been in hospital in Knebworth.
I am trying to help her daughter to find out about her mother who was very mysterious and refused to talk to her daughter about her previous life. She knows virtually nothing and just has a couple of papers, her identity card and her marriage cert to Williams. The fact that she said was single on the 1939 register and on the marriage certificate she said she was a widow but still had the same surname. The other weird thing is she said her father was Rainforth Gunn( It could be Gunn but difficult to read, definitely begins with a G then looks a bit like an eum or nn. Her daughter is convinced it's Gunn.

My head is spinning. I am confused. I though perhaps that Longfield, Knebworth may have provided a family connection but maybe not.

I do thank you all very much for your help and if anyone has any ideas please let me know.

Gwen Ing