Genealogy Chat

Hi Sue

This thread is almost 6 years old.

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May I suggest that you send her a message through the GR messaging system (called a pm) ....... just click on her name, then type your message in the box that appears.

GR will send her an email to let her know that there is a pm waiting for her.

You have to hope that she still has the same email address that GR has on record, and wait for a reply.

Check back in your Sent Messages ......... click on Messages at the top then on Sent messages ........

....... if there is a green envelope to the left of her name, then Barbara has not opened the message.

If there is no envelope, then she has opened it.

Hi Barbara

''The generation before came from Nottingham. I do have
Sarah Chamberlain who married William Hind at St Mary's Nottingham in 1817''

I am descended directly from this couple. They had 4 sons all with their mothers maiden name as their middle name. Did you manage to find out anything?

Thanks Madmeg,

You are probably right about Joseph. Thank you for taking the time to check.
Regards
Barbara

There is, however, this Joseph born in London, father born Nottinghamshire:

1881 England Census
about Joseph Chamberlain
Name: Joseph Chamberlain
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Ruddington, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: St Margaret
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Temple Dwelling Kensington Gardens
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Gardener Of Park (Dom)

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St Margaret Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Chamberlain 44
Mary A. Chamberlain 41
William I. Chamberlain 21
Joseph J. Chamberlain 18
Herbert Chamberlain 10

I don't think the politician is likely to be related - his father is Joseph also born London inm 1796 - too far back to be related to the Nottinghamshire Chamberlains, and remember it. A lot of people "latched on" to famous people with the same surname and imagined they were relatives.

Many thanks Nicky I really appreciate your help. Will try them.


Barbara

After much fiddling about i have managed to get an email address for the Pennysylvania Archives.

[email protected]

May be worth emailing them to see what information they have about Scranton Lace and the Chamberlain connection.


nicky

Hi Madmeg,

No you havn`t missed anything, just trying to build on the info thats now been posted about the Lace Business in Pennsylvania US.

Really just trying to see who { Chamberlains} were in Pennsylvania at that time and what they did job wise etc.

Its really all speculation, but may give Babara something to go on.

Have no idea if these Leicester Chamberlains are connected to Sarah Chamberlain the grandmother , but by posting the census records I thought it would give Babara more info to work with.


Nicky

But who is William Chamberlain c 1814, and his wife Sarah, with kids John, William, Mary and Sarah?

And who is John Frederick Hind. 1889 Nottinhamshire, son of Albert and Sarah, who died in Pennsylvania in 1969? And emigrated in 1927.

Who are these people, and how are they related to Barbara's family?

Have I missed something?

Margaret

Think this is them in 1851..

William Chamberlin
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Leicester St Mary
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Little Holme Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 9u
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
William Chamberlin 34 F.W.R.????
Sarah Chamberlin 34
Ann Chamberlin 12
John Chamberlin 10
William Chamberlin 6
Mary Chamberlin 4
Sarah Chamberlin 5 Months. This Sarah must have died because the Sarah in 1861 is only 6, and think then shes the one in USA in 1881 age 24.


Nicky

1861..This could be them..

William Chamberlain
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Leicester St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: 5 West Holme street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: West Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members: Name Age
William Chamberlain 45 Loom Hand
Sarah Chamberlain 43
John Chamberlain 19 Loom Hand
William Chamberlain 17
Mary Chamberlain 13
Sarah Chamberlain 6
Alfred Chamberlain 1 All born Leicester.


Nicky

Babara..

the census i put up was 1881, the newspaper article says the company was set up in mid 1800s...
Sarah the mum is 65, and her daughter Sarah 25 making her 40 when she gave birth to her, son Alfred is 21...meaning mum would have been 44 when she had him, all within the normal child bearing age...though I don`t think many gave birth after that age.

Seeing as they were all born in England i will try and find them on an earlier census.


Nicky

Nicky was that a census you found? what year was that please. The parents sound old to have children that age
Barbara

I really must thank you all for the information you have found. It's all quite fascinating.

Nicky your last post sounds quite hopeful at least we have Chamberlins in America. I will keep searching , it would be wonderful if I could prove with all you kind folks help that it was true.

Aunt Mary in her notes also mentions her grandmothers cousin Joseph Chamberlain who was a politician She called him 'radical Joe' he was born in London. I found that by googling his name, but i was unable to find a connection.
Barbara

Possible???

Wm. CHAMBERLAIN Self M Male W 67 ENG Weaver ENG ENG
Sarah CHAMBERLAIN Wife M Female W 65 ENG Keeping House ENG ENG
Sarah CHAMBERLAIN Dau S Female W 25 ENG ENG ENG
Alfred CHAMBERLAIN Son S Male W 21 ENG Weaver ENG ENG


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Source Information:
Census Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Family History Library Film 1255189
NA Film Number T9-1189
Page Number 349A



Nicky

Found by googleing..

THE HISTORY: The Scranton Lace Curtain Manufacturing Company was established by the Scranton Board of Trade in 1890 and was incorporated on June 15, 1897. The name Scranton Lace Company became standardized in 1916 when the Scranton Lace Curtain Manufacturing Company and one of its subsidiaries combined their operations. On May 13, 1958, the company changed its name to The Scranton Lace Corporation, but soon thereafter reverted back to using the name The Scranton Lace Company as its official title. From 1916 to 2002 the company remained the first and largest known producer of Nottingham Lace in the United States. They produced tablecloths, napkins, valences, and shower curtains, among many other types of lace items. During the 1940s, the company teamed up with subsidiaries such as Victory Parachutes, Inc. and Sweeney Bros. to manufacture parahutes and camouflage netting. Though the company prospered well into the 1950s, risky investments involving Hal Roach Studios and the fledgling television industry placed the company in financial peril and eventually led to its closure in 2002.

Scranton Lace, world leader in making Nottingham lace, closes SCRANTON, Pa. (AP) Scranton Lace Co., once the world's largest producer of Nottingham lace and later a symbol of the region's dying textile industry, has stopped production. The 105-year-old company employed more than 1,400 people at its peak in the early 20th century and used an enormous, one-of-a-kind loom to create Nottingham lace, the city's highest-profile export. Robert Christy, of Scranton, a weaver at the plant, said company vice president Robert Hine called all employees together halfway through their shift Friday to break the news that Scranton Lace was closing, effective immediately. "People were shocked," Christy said. "Since I've been there, I heard rumors about closing, but you never think today will be the day." The company cut employment to 150 last year, and most recently to about 50. Wages ranged from about $7 to $13 an hour. At one time, Scranton Lace had bowling alleys in the basement, a fully staffed infirmary, a staff barber and a gymnasium, and owned its own cotton field and coal mine. Its clock tower was a city landmark. U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's father and grandfather worked there. Before World War II, the laceworks was one of 10 mills in Pennsylvania that together produced more than half of all lace goods in the United States. Like most industries, Scranton Lace joined the war effort, producing mosquito and camouflage netting, bomb parachutes and tarpaulins. After World War II, the company returned to making cotton yarn, vinyl shower curtains and textile laminates used for umbrellas, patio furniture and pool liners. But it was best known for its Nottingham lace, named for the city in England where the loom for manufacturing lace was developed in the mid-1800s. According to the Scranton Lace Web site, the company's century-old imported looms were the largest Nottingham looms ever created, each weighing more than 20 tons.



nicky

Here's what i've managed to find out so far.
In my tree i have a John Frederick Hind b.1889 Notts(son of Albert Hind & Sarah). He died 1969 in Scranton,Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. He emigrated with his family in 1927.
In my notes i researched Scranton and discovered that there was a Scranton Lace Company.
It was founded in 1897 and was the world's largest producer of Nottingham lace.
The Scranton Lace Company used authentic Nottingham looms that were shipped from England.
In the 1911census John Frederick's occupation was a Lace machine worker so he probably could have gone to work at the Scranton Lace Company.
This has made me wonder if this could be the connection to your letter.
I found 2 articles from the New York Times Archives.
The first one published Jan 22 1891 and the second published March 29 1891
- a little snippet - " a party of Englishmen have been negotiating for some time the location of a large lace factory .......the building of the factory was expected to begin in a short time followed by the removal of costly machinery from England together with about forty families of lacemakers".
I will e-mail the documents to you.
Mary

I think the letter is fascinating. I love a bit of a mystery so i will try & look through my file (2") of Hind notes i have saved "just in case".
I have tried researching Sarah Chamberlain's family several times but cannot prove the families i have found belong to hers - and it would seem that no one else has too!
Pleased my tree has been of help to you.

Thanks Elizabeth, I will look there.
Barbara

Have you tried the Lace Museum in Nottingham to see if they have any info on a Chamberlain family ?

They have lots of info on the Lace Industry and families connected to it