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Aww thankyou so much it all connects thankyou margee

Same family in 1841. Name is definitely Shaw but there are many Straw families on same page.

Millicent Shaw

in the 1841 England Census
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Name: Millicent Shaw
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
Hundred: Morlestone and Litchurch
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Ilkeston
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 189
Book: 1
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
George Shaw 60
Millicent Shaw 61
Isabella Shaw 32
Lott Shaw 34
Samor Shaw 24
Caroline Shaw 20

Is this your family in 1851? I think her name is Milley on original (Short for Millicent?)

Malley Shaw

in the 1851 England Census
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Name: Malley Shaw
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Shaw
Gender: Female
Where born: Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Ilkeston
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County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Ilkeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Piece: 2126
Folio: 248
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
George Shaw 73
Malley Shaw 71
Lot Shaw 45
Benjm Shaw 25
Caroline Shaw 29
Clara Woon 19
Fredrick Shaw 14

Not seeing an entry for George but there is this for a Samuel around the right time
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Sam. Straw
England Births and Christenings
Name: Sam. Straw
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 03 Apr 1796
Christening Place: Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name: Sam. Straw
Mother's Name: Anne
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01845-7 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1752154 , Reference ID: item 1

Thankyou sincere apologies we have been on holiday with no internet.... The links seem to be the same, although his will is named shaw not straw.... Our 4th great grandfather is a George shaw brother of Samuel we can't find any baptism on George I have tried to connect looking under straw also, to try connect them
Really appreciate your help
Thankyou

Firstly sincere apologies, we've been on holiday all week, with no internet connection, again I'm so grateful for all your effort and time,
The will we have does say Samuel shaw, but all these names do link, when seeing Samuel does he have a brother named George my 4th great, george was born about 1777 but in 1851 census, it stated he lived in chapel street Ilkeston with his wife Millicent and children, but have always been unable to gain any baptism/ will for George to progress further back

These appear to be the children mentioned in the will.
Children of Samuel Straw & Sarah Rowland:

Baptised 31 Aug. 1820, Ilkeston
Alfred Straw born 4 Sep. 1819, Greasley (this one only has mother's name as Sarah, no surname, all others say Sarah Rowland)

Baptised 2 June 1825, Ilkeston.
William Rowland Straw born 19 Nov. 1820, Greasley
Harrot Straw born 30 May 1823, Greasley
George Straw born 16 March 1825, Greasley

Baptised 8 Feb. 1827, Ilkeston
Sarah Ann Straw born 8 Feb. 1827

Baptised 20 July 1831, Ilkeston
Caroline Straw born 21 July 1828, Stanton
Samuel Straw born 8 July 1831, Stanton

Baptised 20 May 1832, Ilkeston
Charles Straw born 24 March 1832, Stanton

Baptised 27 Jan. 1834, Ilkeston
Julia Straw born 20 Dec. 1833, Stanton

Vena, you still didn't answer the question "Do you have a copy of the will?"

Have you even seen the will or are you taking somebody else's word for it?

I am convinced that what you mention is the will of Samuel Straw.

Then there's this from Rootsweb which mentions ALL of the children that you say are in the will but the name is Straw not Shaw:

"Margot,
Of the children of Samuel and Sarah (nee Rowland)
Alfred married Matilda Brown, daughter of John and Mary, in 1860 at the
Independent Chapel in Ilkeston and went on to live in Bramcote and then Long
Eaton.
William Roland Straw didn't in fact marry Hannah Shaw...he married Elizabeth
Mellor, daughter of William and Rhoda (nee Palmer) at St Mary's Church,
Ilkeston in 1848..they too went to live in Long Eaton (The William Straw who
married Hannah Shaw was the son of William and Catherine (nee White))
George Straw married Elizabeth Eyley in 1847, she the daughter of Benjamin
and Mary (nee Husbands)
Sarah Ann died at the family home in Moors Bridge Lane, Ilkeston, aged 29,
unmarried.
Caroline married Benjamin Samuel Brown in 1878.
Charles married Jane Rowley in 1863 and also went to live in Long Eaton.
Julia married Isaac Newton in 1862 and lived at Trowell, Notts where she was
married and then at Sandiacre, Derbyshire.

Father Samuel died on Nov 8th 1872 and wife Sarah on Jul 2nd 1861, both at
Moors Bridge Lane (which is now Derby Rd, Ilkeston)."

It is confusing because I found this relating to the Straw family which mentions 2 daughters with the same names that you mention as Samuel Shaw's daughters.

"The Straws of the old Moor Brig.

We now see the old mill but not any house until we come to the old canal bridge.
In this home lived the Straws.
The two daughters had a Girls’ School, nearly at the bottom of Bath Street.

Born in Newthorpe, Nottinghamshire about 1789 Sarah Rowland, the daughter of William and Amy (nee Levers), married Samuel Straw at Greasley Parish Church in June 1813.

The baptisms of their children and the census suggest that initially they lived at Newthorpe Common until about 1828 before moving to Stanton Lock where Samuel was described as a lock-wright.

In the 1840’s the family moved into Moors Bridge Lane where Samuel was a ‘canal agent’.

That is where the couple spent the rest of their lives. Sarah died there in July 1861 and Samuel in November 1872.

Mystery alert!
There were four daughters of the marriage though only three came to live in Ilkeston.
Sarah Ann died unmarried in 1856, aged 29, described as a dressmaker.
Caroline lived in the Lane with her parents until she married collier Benjamin Samuel Brown in March 1878.
Like Caroline, Julia was a ‘housemaid’ and lived at home until 1862 when she married Cossall boatman and widower Isaac Newton.
I have as yet not found evidence linking them to the ‘bottom of Bath Street’ school."

Sorry it was Samuel shaw on the will , I'm so sorry it's just so confusing, I do appreciate all your help

But, Vena, you didn't answer the question. Do you have a copy of the will and was it Samuel Shaw or Samuel Straw?

Hhe left his will to all his children equally, thankyou all of you, I'm going to look up on Ilkeston history site thanks again

Might Tithe maps help? they might show up what was at Stanley Common at the time

Derbyshire Record Office
County Government Office
Address: New Street, Matlock, Derbyshire DE4 3FG
Phone:01629 538347

If you'd like some advice before your visit, call 01629 539209 or email [email protected]
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www.ilkestonhistory.org.uk/
Welcome to the Ilkeston and District Local History Society (IDLHS) website. ... The site features information on the history of Ilkeston and district and you can find ...
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Or maybe Derek could help on his thread -

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1191073
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And as Ilkeston is posted as Notts or Derbys depending which census you look at on which site -

Maybe Wendy on hers
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1266434

Ilkeston is close to both Derby and Nottingham and is near to the M1 motorway. Although Ilkeston lies within Derbyshire, it is closer to Nottingham than it is to Derby. The eastern boundary of Ilkeston is only two miles from Nottingham's western edge. Ilkeston is considered by the Office for National Statistics to be part of the Nottingham Urban Area.

I can't follow a Samuel Shaw through census in the Ilkeston area with those named children, but Samuel Straw can be

So, Vena, where did you get the info about the will of Samuel Shaw and the children named in it because it certainly appears to be the will of Samuel Straw?

Trees on Ancestry say Samuel Straw married Sarah Rowland and had children Harriet 1816, Alfred 1819, William 1820, George 1825, Sarah Ann 1826, Caroline 1828 and Charles 1832.

Similar names to your Samuel Shaw.

Rate books and/or Electoral rolls might name the farm - assuming they've survived, they could be kept at the nearest archive.

This seems to be the death of that Samuel Straw whose probate greyghost posted.

Deaths Dec 1872 (>99%)
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Straw Samuel 75 Basford 7b 76

So the question is are we getting 2 people mixed up here, Samuel Shaw and Samuel Straw?

National Probate Calendar 1872

STRAW Samuel 6 December. The will of Samuel Straw late of ilkeston in the County of Derby Farmer and Canal Agent who died 8 November at Ilkeston was proved at Derby by Charles Straw of Ilkeston Book-keeper the son and Wright Lissett of Little Hallam in the said County Farmer and Schoolmaster Executors. Effects under £1000