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(think below is Mrs. Smith! (his Sister) at Walton Road 1896)

Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%)
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Cooper Ellen Elizabeth Kingston 2a 690
Smith George Arthur Kingston 2a 690

Chris :)

Edits (could be her below, Baptism says Born 9 Sep 1873)

Birth
COOPER, ELLEN ELIZABETH (ANDREWS)
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 655


(Below siblings from 1881 posted earlier, 51, Alpha Road)

Birth
COOPER, WILLIAM JOHN (ANDREWS)
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 294

(Baptism for Willam John 1876, says Born June 17)


Birth
COOPER, EDWARD ALBERT (ANDREWS)
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 285


Birth
COOPER, REBECCA GERTRUDE (ANDREWS)
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 581


Birth
COOPER, SARAH ANN (ANDREWS)
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 631


1911 (Find My Past)
Ellen E Smith Head Widow Female 37 1874 Rochampton Surrey
Emily L Smith Daughter Single Female 16 1895 South Teddington Middlesex Daily Domistic
George A Smith Son Single Male 14 1897 South Teddington Middlesex Errand Boy
Sidney H Smith Son - Male 10 1901 South Teddington Middlesex School
William C Smith Son - Male 8 1903 South Teddington Middlesex School
Henry J Smith Son - Male 4 1907 East Molesey Surrey -
Frederick E Smith Son - Male 0 1911 West Molesey Surrey -
Ernest J Hunt Boarder Single Male 24 1887 West Molesey Surrey Farm Labourer
324 Walton Road West Molesey, West Molesey, Surrey
(says Marriage lasted 17yrs, 8 children born, 7 living, 1 died)


Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%)
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SMITH George Arthur 35 Kingston 2a 340


(her birthplace wrong on below, not sure on this one!, but address looks good)

1901
Arthur Smith Head Married Male 31 1870 Newbury, Berkshire, England Bricklayers Labourer
Ellen Smith Wife Married Female 30 1871 Farnborough, Hampshire, England -
Willie Smith Son - Male 7 1894 Surrey, England -
Nellie Smith Daughter - Female 5 1896 Surrey, England -
Arthur Smith Son - Male 3 1898 Surrey, England -
Edith Smith Daughter - Female 1 1900 Surrey, England
St Marys Cottage, 4, School Road, East Molesey, Kingston, Surrey


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roehampton

(Roehampton is a suburban[2] district in southwest London, forming the western end of the London Borough of Wandsworth)


Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)

Robert Henry John Smith
7 Apr 1907 East Molesey, St Mary
George Arthur (occ. Gardener)
Ellen Elizabeth

:-D

Well it looks to riding on that 1881 Birth (no pressure then!) lol...

Chris :)

(perhaps the 'usual' we have seen before, when signing up, to appear older!)

It must be right Chris :-D

Goodnight hope you sleep tight I think my head is spinning haha! thanks Will x

Another Day!...(lol)

So, as it stands Will, you need below Birth Cert. (then keep finger crossed!)...

Chris :)

First name(s) HENRY CHARLES
Last name COOPER
Birth year 1881
Birth quarter 2
Mother's last name Andrews
District Kingston
County Surrey
Volume 2A Page 323


(and for John Cooper, with Norfolk side of things, you have below, and it's free!)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

http://tinstaafl.co.uk/nbp/Church_Pages/westacre.htm

(also on above)


Deaths Jun 1929 (>99%)
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Cooper John 80 Kingston 2a 597

(possible for him, and Sarah below)


Deaths Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Cooper Sarah 54 Kingston 2a 219


Sarah Cooper
Cemetery Kingston
Age 54 Years
Date of death 20/12/1900 Type of grave Consecrated (C of E) Section / Class E Grave number 4088 Date of burial 22/12/1900

https://www.kingston.gov.uk/directory/20/burial_records


Edits (wonder why Henry Charles wasn't on 1881, that was taken 3rd April)

Did wonder the same Chris- perhaps his real birth date was 25 May as on the 1939 register?

AQ what do you make of those 2 Census I've just added for Ellen Smith below (1901, 1911) addresses look to match that Marines Record?...

Edits (can't check Births at present, GRO Index down for maintenance!)

Chris :)

(reference from Will)

Ive got the pdf of Charles Henry Cooper Reg no 8939, 25 Watts Lane Teddington
DOB 24th (I think) March 1879, Surbiton Surrey, occ. groom, CofE.
enlisted (think its) 8th april 1898, London.
Division Chatham.
Next bit has been scribbled over:
Next of kin: Father John, 64 Ailsa Road Surbiton.(thats been scribbled over then)
mrs Smith 1 Walton Villas School Road East Melbrr?
Complexion Fresh, Hair Brown, Eyes Grey, Tattoo left arm.

Think this is the 1901 for her:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Fern Cottages, 1, Fairfax Road, Teddington, Teddington (Middlesex), Kingston, Middlesex, England

George A Smith Head Married Male 28 1873 Teddington, Middlesex, England Gardener (Not Domestic)
Ellene Smith Wife Married Female 28 1873 Roehampton, Surrey, England -
Emily Smith Daughter - Female 6 1895 Teddington, Middlesex, England -
George A Smith Jr Son - Male 5 1896 Teddington, Middlesex, England -
Ethel M Smith Jr Daughter - Female 3 1898 Teddington, Middlesex, England -
Sidney H Smith Jr Son - Male 0 1901 Teddington, Middlesex,
William Pearce Boarder Widower Male 56 1845 Lee, Buckinghamshire Farm Labourer

(ah!, that's better AQ)

Chris :)

(saw below)

Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)

Robert Henry John Smith
7 Apr 1907 East Molesey, St Mary (Born Dec. 11th 1906)
George Arthur (occ. Gardener)
Ellen Elizabeth


Lilian Gertrude Smith Smith
12 Jun 1904 East Molesey, St Mary
George Arthur (occ. Gardener)
Ellen Elizath
(Abode, Walton Villas, School Rd.)


Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
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SMITH Lilian Gertrude 2 Kingston 2a 349

Well found Chris- that baptism for Lilian seals it!

Off to work- have a good day. Sun is shining :)

(yes, enjoy!, soon be time to be out in garden!, lol)

Chris :)

Goodmorning amazes me that I can still wake everyday is a bonus! Ha!
Thanks you Rose, Austin, and Chris (or anyone Ive left out) for your efforts this is becoming more entertaining than FB! (Not sure I totally understand all the info though)!

Chris did you say the GRO is down for maintenance is that why I have problem not finding Vol 2a Pg 323???? (I can get a PDF cant I?)

Ive scrapped China Walk that was some other Charles Henry wasnt it!

A lot is mentioned about location particularly Surbiton and Teddington. I can only remember visiting Aunt Lilly at Ferry Road Teddington as a kid on the Trollybus.

Salutations Will x

Seems to be ok now Will...

(I'm orf' to garden centre shortly, so if it doesn't match, you can't reach me, and AQ is at work, lol, lol)

Chris :)

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

Birth
COOPER, HENRY CHARLES ANDREWS
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 02A Page 323


All London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)

(and on above 1929, at 23, Watts Lane is, Ann Greenfield, Charles Henry Cooper and Lottie Harriet Cooper)


Edits

1891 (Find My Past)
Benjamin Greenfield Head Married Male 41 1850 Surrey, England Boot & Shoe Maker
Ann Greenfield Wife Married Female 42 1849 Danbury, Essex, England -
Lottie Greenfield Daughter - Female 12 1879 Middlesex, England Scholar
Lillie Greenfield Daughter - Female 7 1884 Middlesex, England Scholar
Ernest Greenfield Son - Male 4 1887 Middlesex, England Scholar
Boot Makers Shop, Gomer Road, Teddington, Kingston, Middlesex


1901
Benjamin Greenfield Head Married Male 51 1850 Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England Boot Maker
Ann Greenfield Wife Married Female 51 1850 Danbury, Essex, England -
Ernest Greenfield Son Single Male 14 1887 Teddington, Middlesex, England Gardner
Hethe, Bicester, Oxfordshire,


Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%)
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Greenfield Anne 79 Kingston 2a 1114

(perhaps her above)


Birth
GREENFIELD, LILY (ENEFER)
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 348


Birth
GREENFIELD, ERNEST (ENEFER)
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 349


(for Ernest 1911 posted earlier, 25, Watts Lane, Teddington)

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
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Enefer Clara Epping 4a 758
Greenfield Ernest Epping 4a 758


(and some Baptisms on Ancestry, London...Lily Greenfield, says Born 23rd Mch 1884. Baptism 25th May 1884)

(nearly Happy Birthday Lily, lol)

Ok thanks for help as always and have a good rummage at the garden centre.

Lottie Harriett was the wife to Charles Henry Cooper her maiden name was Greenfield and I "guess" Ann may have been who I used to call "Aunt Lilly"?

Marriage cert:
John Cooper and Ann Greenfield were both witness's at Charles and Lottie's Wedding.

Regards Ill have a go at GRO in a min thanks.

Will I would think it was this Lillie that you used to call auntie? Lillie Greenfield , Lottie's sister?

GRO seems to be working ok :-)

Is this Lily?...(Will posted below, Ferry Road reference)...

I can only remember visiting Aunt Lilly at Ferry Road Teddington as a kid on the Trollybus.

Chris :)

(from posting earlier...22 Mar 2018 10:34)

(and some Baptisms on Ancestry, London...Lily Greenfield, says Born 23rd Mch 1884. Baptism 25th May 1884)

(nearly Happy Birthday Lily, lol)


Just seen below...

1939 Register (Find My Past)

South Villa Kingston Road , Twickenham M.B., Middlesex
Lily Buchanan 23 Mar 1884 Female Officer Normans F Married
Helen C Buchanan 12 May 1867 Female Handmaster Normans F Married


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normansfield_Hospital

(Normansfield Hospital was a facility for patients with an intellectual disability situated in Teddington, Middlesex)


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

(1961, Lily Buchanan, 3, Ferry Road, Teddington)


1901 (Find My Past)
Lilly Greenfield Servant Single Female 17 1884 Teddington, Middlesex, England Nurse Domestic
Fallowfield, Cranes Park Avenue, Surbiton, Kingston, Surrey

Hello Chris and Rose.

1: Yes GRO so I should be able to see the ref numer come up there before I order PDF have I got that correct? Because when I search For Charles Henry Cooper 1881 with either that ref numer you have given me Vol 2a pg323 or look for a cooper with Andrews for his mother I cant see it why is that please? If they havent got it it cant be logical to order or have I got this all wrong please and thanks?!

2. Ah thak you it was Number 3 Ferry Road was it Im deligted at that. She lived in a flat and had a dog and I told my dad off for leaning his foot on the dog! Sorry unprofessional. I have got her on my scraps of working papers and yes her husband Buchanan had long gone or died I think it was said he was a Canadian!

Anyway GRO?

Thank you Will x

Will, try putting just cooper henry 1881...(he is there in list)

(sometimes less is more, lol)

Chris :)

or just Cooper , Male , 1881, and the volume and page number :-)