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Has anyone ever come across on birth details where its says mother unknown?

I had a death which i was curious about so i looked up the birth to see what the mothers maiden name was. it was in 1929 and it said mother unknown.

Never seen this before so wonder if it could perhaps be a foundling? Maybe the child was abandoned at a hospital and the mother never came forward perhaps?

Florence in the hebrides

Are you in any way related to the child?

Where did you find the birth record?
Have you seen the actual registration document?
Where was the word ‘unknown’ actually written?

When i looked up the birth on here, it gave a full name and then under mothers maiden name, it said "unknown", just never come across this before.

No I dont think im related but the surname is a family surname and i wanted to check out their details and see which family name they were related to, thats all.

How about telling us the name so we can have a look - for curiosity, if nothing else

I for one, wouldn’t use GR for records……..

Sure, thankyou
Brian Joseph House b 2 Nov 1929 d. 22 may 2007

Southampton

Its the same on Free BMD

That is really unusual, and the birth was re-registered in 1944, still with no MMN.

Your speculation about the wee soul being abandoned seems a distinct possibility

Yes sadly I agree , how very sad.

I looked on GRO, couldn't find Brian Joseph House, but this one is thee, also no mother's name ....

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HOUSE, BRIAN JOHN GEORGE
GRO Reference: 1927 D Quarter in BRIDPORT Volume 05A Page 473

BUT FreeBMD does have a mother's name??

Births Dec 1927 (>99%)
House Brian J G Gale Bridport 5a 473

I googled his name, and this came up first ...........

Unclaimed Estate Records, (1974-2020), United Kingdomhttp://www.interment.net › data › eng › surnames-h-j
Apr 10, 2020 — HOUSE, Brian "Brian Joseph House", b. 02/11/1929 Southampton Hampshire, d. 22/05/2007 Southampton Hampshire, Status: Bachelor, ...

The actual entry reads .........

HOUSE, Brian "Brian Joseph House", b. 02/11/1929 Southampton Hampshire, d. 22/05/2007 Southampton Hampshire, Status: Bachelor, Informant: Southampton NHS Trust, BV Ref# BV2074995/1, pub. Historic

This is from FMP, the 1939 Register .........

Household members (4 people)

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Frank G Taplin 02 May 1893 Male Boot Repairer Married 161 1
Elsie H Taplin 29 Mar 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 161 2
Henry Collins 30 Sep 1863 Male Bricklayer Retired Widowed 161 3
Brian House 02 Nov 1929 Male At School Single 161 4


Transcript of Brian's record

First name(s) Brian
Last name(s) House
Birth date 02 Nov 1929
Birth day 2
Birth month 11
Birth year 1929
Sex Male
Marital status Single
Occupation At School
Address 487 Bitterne Road, Southampton
Place Southampton C.B.
Borough / district Southampton C.B.
County Hampshire
Country England
E. D. letter code ECCH
Schedule 161
Schedule sub number 4
Archive reference RG101/2293J/012/27
Piece number 2293J
Item number 12
Line number 27
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England



No other information on the Register.

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
COLLINS Elsie H Taplin S.Stoneham 2c 196
Taplin Frank G Collins S.Stoneham 2c 196


It looks as though Henry Collins could be Elsie's father ....................

Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
Collins Elsie Helen S. Stoneham 2c 51


From GRO ........

COLLINS, ELSIE HELEN MITCHELMORE
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 51

I wonder if the Colloins/Mitchelmore children are the connection to Brian and his living with the Taplins????

?????????????? any connection?????????????????

Marriages Jun 1930 (>99%)
Collins May L House Pancras 1b 189
House Frederick H Colins Pancras 1b 189

On the gro from about 1925 they stop showing the mmn but it can be found on freebmd

It will be there on the actual certificate

Not seeing a birth for Brian house in 1929 though on the gro

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Marriages Jun 1923
Gale Ivy A R E House Beaminster 5a 863
House Brian C Gale Beaminster 5a 863

Births Mar 1924
House Molly E Gale Bridport 5a 535
Births Dec 1926
House Barbara G Gale Bridport 5a 484
Births Dec 1927
House Brian J G Gale Bridport 5a 473
Births Jun 1932
House Raymond D F Gale Lymington 2b 992
Births Sep 1935
House Pamela J Gale New Forest 2b 1024
Births Jun 1945
House Norman N Gale New Forest 2b 1168

But that family is together in 1939

Lower Shilvington, Dorchester, Dorchester R.D., Dorset, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Brian C House 07 Jun 1898 Male Farmer Married 45 1
Ivy (A R E) House 27 May 1898 Female Domestic Duties Married 45 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Brian J House 20 Oct 1927 Male At School Single 45 4
The record for this person is officially closed.
Lillie Legg 18 Jan 1869 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 45 6


So def not the 1927 birth mmn Gaie

Soo looks like his birth wasn’t Reg in 1929 but Reg in 1944 and the informant didn’t know mums name

Probably because a birth cert was needed to start work and he didn’t have one

Wow, amazing info. Shirley, I think you have hit the nail on the head, he needed his birth cert to work but he didnt have one.

His estate is unclaimed and says he was a bachelor so never married. Was living in Southampton and looks like he died in hospital? Possibly as it says the informant was the NHS trust.

One of our family names that I am researching is House so thats why I was curious and wanted to know the origin to see if he belonged to my family as they were all from Hampshire and surrounds.

Thanks all for looking

Florence in the hebrides

His birth WAS registered...........JFM 1930.......and RE-registered in 1944