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Susanwiv,

As an aside, and in jest, I hope that my Army Number never comes up :-0

I spent 14 years in the T&AVR from the late 1960's, until the early 1980's.

If my Efficiency Medal comes up for sale, I'll be having a serious discussion with OH :-|

As an aside.....has anyone ever C&P their ancestors military number into EBay?....I ask because I used to help a medal seller with his numbers....he liked to sell the medals with the name of the person....

just a thought and another avenue to explore, along with the London Gazette which has military listings.

nor have I :-)

Scozz,

I've now been through all the Robert Adam's and those with just the initial R Adam; the two Sylvia and I posted are the only ones I could see that may fit your man.

I haven't yet checked on Adams :-(

The Cameronians have (or did have) a small museum in Hamilton Lanarkshire, mainly (so I understand) info on the Scottish/Hamilton Rifles.

That's who I contacted, via a website, and got no response.

:-(

As the Cameronians have not existed since 1968 it perhaps not surprising that you did not receive any response. However, just in case you pursue this further you may find this link helpful at some point:

http://www.cameronians.org/index.html

Imber

Knowing my luck, I'll look at 90 records for Robert Adam & they'll be someone else, but many of them might be grandfather's cousins :-D

There are generations of Robert Gibson Adam, my grandfather, his son and grandson, his uncle (the oldest son) and his grandfather; greatgrandfather was David, but his brother was Robert Gibson Adam! Goes back to my 3xgreat grandparents, David Adam & Elizabeth Gibson, but I've got further back than them.

What a pity the War Records didn't list middle names. And...... I've often found the surname ADAM listed as ADAMS, just to make things easier.

:-)

Allan ................

I think they have different records

ancestry has only just got the UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920, but they've had the others fro some time




I've just looked at the Pension records, but don't see a possible Robert Adams candidate ................ there are only 8 such records

Or try the PIN series on the National Archives website, although there's only a very small number of files

You can apply to the Western Front Association for Army pension information on your man. Sounds as though he may have had a pension, although there's still a charge, even if he didn't. At least it would tell you his regiment and Regimental number, if they have anything on him, enabling further research, via the War Diaries

There are lots of surviving WW1 service records for men who were killed, by the way, Sylvia. Please don't give people the wrong impression - just because you haven't found any doesn't mean they don't exist, so mentioning that you don't happen to have found any doesn't help

Scozz, I will be out for most of the morning, but I'll continue looking over the next couple of days.

You should be able to do a search on the URL's provided. I believe that there is a small charge for the search,

The following is from FMP

About World War One British Army Medal Index Cards

Did your ancestor fight for King and Country during the Great War? Discover your ancestor’s medal index card. The collection includes the 4.5 million campaign medal index cards and silver war badge cards of soldiers. It is the most comprehensive list of individuals who fought in World War One. Search for free by your ancestor’s name, service number or rank.

Each record includes a partial transcription of the original Medal Index Card. The detail in each transcript can vary but most will include:
•Name
•Soldier number(s) *Rank *Corps
•URL address to the original image on The National Archives’ site
•Archival reference number

Click on the image link to visit The National Archives website, where for a small fee, you can purchase and download an image of the original index card that is kept at The National Archives based in Kew, London.

Discover more about the World War One British Army Medal Index Cards

The index cards were created by the Army Medal Office in Droitwich. Each card details a soldier’s medal entitlement. Some of the cards have additional annotations about awarded medals. Other ranks were automatically sent their medals, but officers had to claim their medals.

The records remind us of the vast impact of the Great War and that it was a world war. The call to arms went out across the British Empire. The collection includes some records for the Imperial units, but most of the index cards are for British soldiers.

Available in the collection are cards, which include medal entitlement for the General Service Medal awarded to men who took part in operations on the North West Frontier in 1919.

Multiple regimental numbers

While exploring the World War One Medal Index Cards, you may discover that your ancestor had more than one regimental (or soldier) number. Regimental numbers are extremely complex, but understanding these can help you unlock a soldier’s service history.

A regimental number was far from unique. Most regiments issued regimental numbers from multiple series and if your ancestor was in the Territorial Force, you may find that he has two numbers: his original number and a new number, which would have been issued to him when the Territorial Force was re-numbered in 1917. For detailed information on regimental numbers visit Paul Nixon’s blog: Army Service Numbers 1881-1918.

Wow! Thankyou everyone. Maybe one of them (except the married one) could be my grandfather.

I know my grandfather was in hospital for a very long time. The family story is that he was given up for dead, and a medic ( ? ) saw he was still alive. He was released from hospital with lots of schrapnel in various parts of his body, mostly his legs. The doctors kept at him to have the schrapnel removed and eventually persuaded him to do this in 1954..... and he died soon afterwards, of a blood clot. Grandfather had always told the doctors that the schrapnel wasn't bothering him, he'd rather they left it alone. He was right.

I tried a few years ago (writing to the only British address I could find) for his records, also wrote to the Cameronians in Hamilton Lanarkshire, got no response from either!

The maddening thing, my uncle had lots of information about his father's war service. My uncle died 4 years ago, he had promised & promised over the years to send me some information, but never did. His second wife (who is .. how shall I put this?... not a very nice person...) refuses to share anything with anyone in the family. She won't even give my cousins photographs of their father, and has given nothing to my uncle's twin sister. :-(

Sylvia,

It seems that Ancestry records have more information than FMP.

The only reason I stayed with FMP was that I was offered an Worldwide Subscription at a fraction of the price it would have cost me for a UK only sub on Ancestry :-S

the other one



UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Cameronian (Scottish Rifles)
Regimental Number: 53011
Previous Units: 5/6 Sco Rif. 53011 Pte.
Other Records:




British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Regiment or Corps: Cameronian (Scottish Rifles)
Regimental Number: 53011
Other Records

from image:-

he was awarded the Victory and British Medals



no further records that I can see

ancestry versions



UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps: Cameronian (Scottish Rifles)
Regimental Number: 54502
Previous Units: 9/Sco Rif. 54502 Pte.



British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Regiment or Corps: Cameronian (Scottish Rifles)
Regimental Number: 54502
Other Records:

from the card image:-

Awarded the Victory and British Medals


Allied Victory Medal (Victory Medal) was awarded for service in any operational theater between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was issued to individuals who received the 1914 and 1914-15 Stars and to most individuals who were issued the British War Medal. The medal was also awarded for service in Russia (1919-1920) and post-war mine clearance in the North Sea (1918-1919).


British War Medal was awarded to both servicemen and civilians that either served in a theater of war, or rendered service overseas between 5 August 1914 and 11 November 1918. It was also awarded for service in Russia, and post-war mine clearance in the Baltic, the Black Sea, and the Caspian Sea between 1919 and 1920.


HOWEVER ............... this one is already married according to his Service Record .....



British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Robert Adam

Name: Robert Adam
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1891
Age at Enlistment: 25
Marriage Date: 23 Mar 1906
Marriage Place: Blanbyre
Residence Place: 17?? Ha??
Document Year: 1916
Regimental Number: 54502
Number of Images: 9
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Other Records: Search for 'Robert Adam' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Robert Adam Self (Head)
Elizabeth Cr Adam Spouse
John Fadd Adam Adam Child


The documents are damaged, and the address is hard to read, but it does look as though it was in Hamilton

He was a miner

Married 23-3-1917, Blantyre ......... name is in damaged area

Child born 8-9-1917, Hamilton



I'll leave it that

Scozz, both those soldiers were awarded the Silver War badge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_War_Badge

FMP has 94 Robert Adams listed. I'll try to trawl through them all, but it will take some time

Or this


First name(s)
Robert

Last name
Adam

Service number
54502

Rank
Private

Corps
Scottish Rifles

Service record
Soldier Number: 54502, Rank: Private, Corps: Scottish Rifles

Archive reference
WO372/1

Archive reference description
Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards

Url
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D1617238

Country
Great Britain

Record set
World War One British Army medal index cards

Category
Military, armed forces & conflict

Record collection
First World War

Collections from
Great Britain

Try this for size, Scozz



name(s)
Robert

Last name
Adam

Service number
53011

Rank
Private

Corps
Scottish Rifles

Service record
Soldier Number: 53011, Rank: Private, Corps: Scottish Rifles

Archive reference
WO372/1

Archive reference description
Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards

Url
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D1617237

Country
Great Britain

Record set
World War One British Army medal index cards

Category
Military, armed forces & conflict

Record collection
First World War

Collections from
Great Britain

Thankyou for looking, much appreciated.

If my grandfather was listed without his middle name, there would be too many listed (maybe) to find him. I had a quick look at Archives & found pages & pages of Robert Adam.... without any regiment listed :-(

My grandfather and grandmother were born on the same date, 19 March, grandfather in 1895 & grandmother in 1898..... and they were married on 19th March 1920.

If someone had given me that information I'd wonder if they made an error :-D

I have the documents :-D :-D

Thank you for being so understanding, RMS ;-) :-) :-)