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hi Sue, thanks for your reply to my private message ... can you just confirm that you have taken this all down so I can delete the more personal bits from it?

however ... there are Murphy-O'Keeffe births in Lancaster that do not seem to match with any other marriage and come between the Birmingham births

One of them is a female M ... I will send what seems to be the 2012 electoral roll listing for that person

... however on second thought I am not confident of that idea, there are many births with those names in that district up to 1946 ...


... but ... the one birth we can be sure of, and I have sent postal address info from freeelectoralroll for that person confirmed by years shown at 192.com


by the way, the James and Kathleen Swire on the earlier electoral roll were really

Lionel JAMES Swire
and
Kathleen (CATHERINE) (O'Keeffe) Murphy

:-)

background on Lionel J SWIRE

Births Dec 1906
Swire Lionel James Blackburn 8e 316

Marriages Sep 1932
Carroll Mary Swire Blackburn 8e 1074
Swire Lionel J Carroll Blackburn 8e 1074

there is one birth to the marriage 1936 that you can see at Freebmd

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

trying to see whether Ancestry shows any others but its search function went haywire today ... it seems not

the child likely married in the same place


Lionel died in 1963 in Birmingham where he had lived for some time

but his wife's address as informant was in Blackpool

which suggests they were estranged but she was still legally his wife

it seems likely she died later the same year

Deaths Mar 1963
SWIRE MARY 56 BLACKPOOL 10B 803 = dob c1907

Lionel and Catherine seem to have had a daughter, again, search at FreeBMD but spell mother's name O'Keeffe with two Fs ... initial not M though ... and she married in Birmingham


and there is what I meant to check in the first place because I have a good friend named O'KeeFFe :-)

we still have too little information but is this the marriage?

Marriages Sep 1927
Murphy John O'Keeffe Devonport 5b 821
O'KEEFFE Kathleen M MURPHY Devonport 5b 821


search for MURPHY births with mother O'KEEFFE

2 in Birmingham

then search for SWIRE births with mother O'KEEFFE

you will see the overlap

Catherine/Kathleen had one child with her husband and one child with Lionel Swire

... but neither was an M ...


this is rather personal info to be here in the thread I am afraid so I want to edit this post to delete some of it after you have seen and copied it (I would have sent it privately but several others have been helping here so I thought it best to make it available to everyone first and then remove it)

this will give you some names to search trees here and search elsewhere with in any case

Hello all just thought i would let you know i got lionel squires death cert and it states mrs squire of blavkpool his wife registered the death

thanks for all you help x

Thank you yvonne all help I am grateful
sue

hi
sorry think i have wrong family cant find marriage for o'keefe and murphy

yvonne

hi
found catherine mc donough married sydney murphy 1924

doreen j born 1924

mavis j born 1927
cant find any other children

hope this helps

yvonne

I might be tempted to get the death cert for Lionel, as found by Gritty, to see who registered his death. Depends how much you want to gamble your hard-earned cash.

The other avenue is to look for obituaries etc to see if family members are named. Maybe another visit to the archives for me sometime!

Jan

Hi Susan.
I have been to the archives, but I am sorry to say I found nothing useful. Lionel Swire and Kathleen lived there 1949-54 then no sign. And nobody else there, apart from an Arthur Dudley in 1949-50 register.
Have looked online again for Lionel, and found him and Kathleen living together in 1945 at 57 Brunswick Rd. Sparkbrook. This suggests they were either related or a couple.
Interestingly, a James and Kathleen Swire are living at 55 Edward St. 1939, no idea if connected.
Jan

OK, will see what I can find.
Jan

Jan
I have a copy of the death cert for catherine murphy she died 14th march 1958 at 6 back of 132 clifton road balsall heath b13. She was 56 yrs,
It says she was the wife of michael murphy occupation un known. It also states M Murphy Daughter was present at the death and it was registered 17th march 58.
It gives M Murphy as the informant and living at the same address
kind regards sue

Susan, have made plans to visit the archives week after next, so will be in touch soon.
Jan

Thank you gritty? I know she deff had a daughter because it states it on the birth cert and the latter address was what was on the certificate. Its strange because she is burried with her sisterand theres no mention of a mr murphy anywhere.
thanks for helping

sue

1945
57 Brunswick Road, Sparkbrook
Kathleen Murphy
Lionel J SWIRE
Dorothy G Ricketts

1950-1955
6 back 132 Clifton Road, Sparkbrook (Balsall Heath Ward)
Kathleen Murphy
Lionel J Swire

Just in case he is connected- his death:

Lionel J Swire
Birth Date: abt 1907
Date of Registration: Mar 1963
Age at Death: 56
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 821

OK, I won't forget!
Jan

Thanks jan that would be great, I dont know who the lionel squire was tho

sue :-)

If you wish, I can check the later census at the library when I am next in Birmingham. Might be a while, but def before Christmas!
Jan

Thanks Jan, I havent been in for a while and have struggled with this one for sometime

Susan, please put all replies on here rather than sending messages.

Just type in the box below and click 'submit'.

PM:

'The address on the death cert was 132 clifton road balsall heath b13'

B'ham electoral registers are online till 1955.

I can see a Kathleen Murphy living at 6 back 132 Clifton Rd. in 1950, also a Lionel Squire, but no other Murphy. Unfortunately the addresses on Ancestry have been very badly transcribed, and I can't find Clifton Road in 1955 at the moment..

Jan

I can't see a Murphy - O'Keefe marriage in England or Wales on FreeBmd.

There are various births for Murphy with mother's maiden name O'Keefe, but none I can see with Christian name initial M.