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Could anyone with access to parish registers for St Pancras look for a birth please?
I have Thomas Rees born around 1863
His marriage in 1884 gives his father's name as William Rees and Thomas's age as 22.
There are 2 possible births for Thomas on Freebmd,one in 1862,the other in 1863 both in Pancras,but I don't know which one is mine
I tried to find Thomas with his parents,but can't seem to find a Thomas with a father named William,only a Simon.
I suspect that Thomas didn't know his father's name or got it wrong....but wondered if someone could see if Thomas's birth is recorded in parish regs,to see what name his father really has
Thanks..

If your Thomas married a Susan then this is a possible
Name: Thomas Rees
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Somers Town, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 25 Gospel Oak Grove
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Railway Carman

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 23a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Rees 45
Thomas Rees 18
John Rees 11
George Rees 3
Henry Russell 23
Eliza Russell 22
Annie Russell
Eliza Russell

Barbara
That is the one I think is him...unfortunately,his mother is a widow,so not sure what her husband's name was.
Can't see the family in 1871.
Thank you Jane
Sorry,yes,he did marry Susan

Have to go out for while,will check thread later
Jane

Hi Jane
The only thing I can think of is to send for John birth cert he was born 1870 and there is only one showing on bmd from 1869 to1871

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
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Rees John Simon Pancras 1b 136

Barbara

6 Thomas Rees born in London 1862 +/2 years

None say baptized in St Pancras ................. but there is nothing ot say that he was baptized there. St Pancras on freebmd,org.uk is the Registratygion District.


All London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 results for Thomas Rees


Thomas Rees Baptism 15 Nov 1861 Thomas Rees, Sarah Rees Saint Peter, Cranley Gardens Kensington and Chelsea


William Thomas Rees Baptism 6 Jan 1861 Morgan Rees, Ellen Rees Saint Mary At Lambeth Lambeth


Thomas Rees Baptism 4 Oct 1863 Thomas Rees, Anne Rees Christ Church, Albany Street Camden


Thomas Rees Baptism 5 Jun 1864 David Rees, Mary Rees Saint John Horselydown Southwark


Thomas Henry Rees Baptism 18 Apr 1861 David Rees, Ann Rees Saint Marylebone Westminster


Thomas Henry Rees Baptism 18 Apr 1861 David Rees, Ann Rees Saint Marylebone Westminster





Also looked for Thomas Rees, mother Hannah baptized in London 1870 +/10 years (in case he was baptized years after birth. Nothing



sylvia

I thought that Russell looked like Bussell on the image. They are Hannah's daughter and son-in-law.

Marriages Dec 1878
BUZZEL Henry Islington 1b 396 <<<<<<<<<<
Miller Albert Oswald Islington 1b 396
MOSS Isabel Mary Islington 1b 396
REES Eliza Islington 1b 396 <<<<<<<<<<<<

Births Jun 1880
BUZZEL Annie Amelia Pancras 1b 132
BUZZEL Hannah Eliza Pancras 1b 133


1901 England Census
Name: Eliza Buzzel
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 33 herbert St

Occupation:

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 501
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Buzzel 43 - builder's carman
Eliza Buzzel 42
Ada Buzzel 12
Harriet H Buzzel 10
Also these children. They are on the next page and listed as a separate household.
John Buzzel 7
Arthur Buzzel 3
Susan Buzzel 6 months

Still no luck with before 1881.

This fits with John's birth, but not with your Thomas.

1861 England Census
Name: Hannah Rise
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Simon
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunbury, Surrey, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Bedford St Matthew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 13 Albert St

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regents Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 266
Household Members:
Name Age
Simon Rise 31 - Policeman, South Wales
Hannah Rise 30
William Rise 5 - Chertsey, Surrey
Eliza Rise 3 Old Kent Rd, Surrey <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< (Walworth Common was on the Old Kent Rd)


Marriages Mar 1861
Calcar Ellen Lambeth 1d 305
Gosden Hannah Lambeth 1d 305 <<<<<<<<<
Lee W__aton Lambeth 1d 305
Rees Simon Lambeth 1d 305 <<<<<<<<<<


Looks like Eliza is not Hannah's daughter.

Good one,Ozibird!!!!

Just noticed that Thomas was a witness to brother John's marriage-he (Thomas)has a fairly distinctive signature:
Name: John Rees
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Spouse Name: Louisa Skutt
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Sep 1893
Parish: Saint Martin, Kentish Town
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: John Simon Rees
Spouse Father Name: Frank Skutt


Maureen

Yes, but not sure we're following the right Thomas. junglejane says his father is William not Simon. It would be a bit difficult to muddle them, woudn't it?

Anyway continuing with Simon.
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Deaths Mar 1872
Rees Simon 42 Kensington 1a 131

If the above is him, you've got to wonder who young George was in 1881.


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Marriages Jun 1856
CRANE Hannah Chertsey 2a 35 <<<<<<<
ELLIOTT James Chertsey 2a 35
GOSDEN Isaac Chertsey 2a 35 <<<<<<<
HAYWARD Jane Chertsey 2a 35

This might be junglejane's correction to dob. It would be helpful to know the occupations of Thomas & his father.

???????? Sunbury is about 17km from Chobham.
1851 England Census
Name: Hannah Crane
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
[Abt 1834] (It looks far more like 17 than 47)
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Chobham, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Chobham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: House servant

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hone 30
Sarah Hone 28
Elizabeth Hone 3
Herbert Hone 5 Mo
Hannah Crane 47
Robert Copas 21
Henry Turner 16
Jemima Hane 31

I just logged on....can't believe all the additions to thread!!
Thank you all so much.
Firstly...Barbara..that is a good idea.I was so concerned about Thomas' birth,I didn't think about looking for John,who as his middle name is Simon,id definitely the son of Simon,I would say.
Sylvia...Thomas lived in Kentish Town,Camden all his adut life,so very likely the baptism in Camden is him.
Maureen..thanks for John's marriage.Certainly could be my Thomas witnessing it.Oddly,though, John has given his father's name as John Simon,so wonder if he didn't understand the question or got it wrong.
Ozibird.....Thanks for deciphering the name...just looked at Freebmd,and there are a few Buzzels around all in the right area,so I think I can get more on them.
Also,Thomas' was a hansom cab driver.This would tie in with the' carman' job on the 1881.
His marriage cert claims father is William and deceased,no job given.Thomas is living in.(just realized something...his address is 25,Gospel Oak Grove....that is where the Hannah you found lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
So looks like Thomas didn't know his father's name.
I wonder iwhere George came from though,do you think possibly Hannah had a boyfriend or something named William ???
Simon died in 1872.
The Hannah you found in Chertsey looks good to.
I will try to follow up on all this info
Thank you all for your help
Jane

I'm so glad a few pieces of the puzzle fell into place. I had fun looking for them.

Ozi

Only Simon Rees in Wales for that dob +/- couple of years. He's with a Sarah Watts (45), independent, and Elizabeth Watts (3).

1841 Wales Census
Name: Simon Rees
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Where born: Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil parish: Clydey
Hundred: Kilgenan
County/Island: Pembrokeshire
Country: Wales
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Newcastle in Emlyn
Sub-registration district: Kenarth
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Name
Simon Rees 11

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Marriages Sep 1850
DAVIES Elizabeth Newcastle E. 26 869
DAVIES Sarah Newcastle Emlyn 26 869
DAVIES Thomas Newcastle Emlyn 26 869
Evans Evan New tle Emlyn 26 869
JAMES Sarah Newcastle E 26 869
Rees Simon Newcastle E. 26 869 <<<<<<<<
Roberts Bridget Haverfordwest 26 869

This is on IGI entered by a member also Eliza John and Thomas
It also ties up with the 1861 census under the name Rise

William Rees Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth: 1856 Chertsey, , London, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: Sarah E Rees Family
Marriage: About 1879 Islington, London, England



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Husband
William Rees Pedigree


Birth: 1856 Chertsey, , London, England
Christening:
Marriage: About 1879 Islington, London, England
Death:
Burial:





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Wife
Sarah E Rees Pedigree


Birth: 1859 Greenwich, London, England
Christening:
Marriage: About 1879 Islington, London, England
Death:
Burial:





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Children

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1. Minnie Rees Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1877 Islington, London, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:



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2. William Rees Pedigree
Male

Birth: 1880 Acton, , London, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:



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3. Anne Rees Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1881 Islington, London, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


1881 census

Name: William Rees
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah E.
Gender: Male
Where born: Chertsey, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Mary Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Cornwell Terr Birkbeck Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coal Carman

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Rees 25
Sarah E. Rees 22
Minnie Rees 4
William Rees 1
Anne Rees

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Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
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Lawrence Sarah Islington 1b 409
REES William Islington 1b 409

Name: Eliza Rees
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Spouse Name: Henry Buggel (sic)
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1878
Parish: Saint Mary, Hornsey Rise
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Rees Deceased occ:Labourer
Spouse Father Name: Richard Buggel

Name: William Rees
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Spouse Name: Sarah Lawrence
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 May 1876
Parish: Saint Mary, Hornsey Rise
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Simon Rees dec'd Occ:Laundry man
Spouse Father Name: James Lawrence

Maureen

Interesting date.

Deaths Jun 1853
Rees Sarah Chertsey 2a 13



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Births Mar 1855
Rees William St Saviour 1d 29

??????
Births Jun 1859
Rees Eliza Bermondsey 1d 82

It's almost as if we're following 2 different men. I think he was taking the mickey calling himself a policeman in 1861.

Ozibird
Thank you for the additional messages.
Wonder if the Sarah could have been Simon's mother??
Possible,but will try to find more about her.
Also,if Simon had been married before,perhaps you were right that Hannah was not the mother of the older children.
Get one thing sorted,then start on another!!!!
Thank you so much for helping
Jane