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which itself refers to another previous thread that I don't see now. Exactly the same question.


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This looks likely to be Benjamin in 1841 - the father's details on the marriage cert should help with cross-checking. If Benjamin was described as a widower, that would support the other theory........

Name: Benjamin Davies
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Cardiganshire, Wales

Civil parish: Brongwyn
Hundred: Troedyraur
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newcastle Emlyn
Sub-registration district: Penbryn
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
John Davies 60 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Occ: Cobbler
Mary Davies 60
Benjamin Davies 20
Sarah Davies 15

HI Freewheel, all very interesting info and factual.
They are my grandparents and I agree with family from Cardigan, doesn't help when records incorrectly write the surname. I will order the 1858 cert.
Your theory regarding Benjamin being married twice is feasible as there was a 6 year gap between the 2 batches of children, of course he might have been in prison!!!!.
Regarding how I arrived at Owen Emlyn Davies's parents is quite simple as I have his birth certificate 11b-12 born 14/2/1865. However it appears Emlyn is a red herring as he was born just Owen Davies. Apparently in later life he had an affection for the town Newcastle in Emlyn hence added Emlyn to his own name. It is also interesting to note his death is registerd twice, once as Owen Emlyn Davies and then as Owen Davies ref.1937 jan/mar. 11b-1

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Looking at the gap between Joshua and Mary - I'm wondering whether Benjamin married twice - both times to Elizabeths?

Marriages Dec 1851 (>99%)
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Davies Benjamin Cardigan 27 63
Jones Margaret Cardigan 27 63
Mathias John Cardigan 27 63
Rees Mary Cardigan 27 63
Thomas Mary Cardigan 27 63
Titt Edward Freemantle Cardigan 27 63
Williams Elizabeth Cardigan 27 63
Williams James Cardigan 27 63



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Marriages Dec 1851 (>99%)
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Davies Benjamin Cardigan 27 61
Morgan Elizabeth Cardigan 27 61


You haven't said where you got Elizabeth's surname - Owen Emlyn's birth wasn't registered, so it can't have been from his birth cert

1861?

Name: Benjamin Davies
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Brongwyn, Cardiganshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Llandygwydd
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Cardigan
Sub-registration district: Llandygwydd
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Davies 40
Elizabeth Davies 38 born Llandygwydd
John Davies 9
David Davies 8
Joshua Davies 5

1871?

Name: Benjamin Dacres
[Benjamin Davies]
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llandygwydd
County/Island: Cardiganshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardigan
Sub-registration district: Llandygwydd
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Dacres 51
Elizabeth Dacres 48
Mary Dacres 9
Esther Dacres 8
Owen Dacres 6


This looks more likely to be the marriage you want - as all the family originated in Cardigan, Carmarthen seems a bit 'off track'

But - the only way to be certain who married whom is to purchase the cert
Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
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Davies Benjamin Cardigan 11b 13
Griffith Mary Jane Cardigan 11b 13
Jones Elizabeth Cardigan 11b 13
Lewes John Cardigan 11b 13

So , are these your grandparents?

1911

DAVIES CATHERINE ANNIE F 1875 36 Willesden Middlesex
DAVIES OWEN EMLYN M 1865 46 Willesden Middlesex

And their marriage

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Davies Owen Emlyn Cardigan 11b 7
EVANS Catherine Annie Cardigan 11b 7

Last update still incorrect, it should have read great grand parents, Information listed from others about Leonard William Owen Davies is correct and his parents are Owen Davies & Catherine Evans.
Benjamin Davies & Elizabeth Jones are the parents of Owen Davies.
As suggested I will look at Freebmd for future info on marriages.
Owen Davies was their 5th child in the 1871 census and they were living in LLandygwydd Wales. The first 3 children had left home and are only mentioned in the 1861 census.

If the births I posted are your father and uncle, their mother's maiden surname was Evans.

Can you tell us where you got the info about Benjamin and Elizabeth - specifically, where you learnt that her maiden name was Jones.......

Is this your father?

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Davies Leonard W O Evans Willesden 3a 541

And a brother?

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
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DAVIES Arthur O E Evans Willesden 3a 514

Duncan

I see you have amended your posting - please use the purple REPLY button to add feedback.

Your PM to me refers to your grandparents...........I venture to suggest that 1852 is incredibly early for them to have married, in view of your year of birth

I also note that you are using GR to look for info - not the best idea, by any manner of means

ALL the bmd info I posted on here has come from freebmd

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

Unlike GR, that site is FREE

When and where was your father born? As you surname is Davies, I assume that Benjamin and Elizabeth were his parents

Davies marriage info posted above - Duncan gave wrong Page number................

Benjamin Davis 1845 Carmarthen
Benjamin Davis 1850 Newcastle in Emlyn

No Benjamin Davis appearing with those Numbers

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
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BOWEN John Carmarthen 11a 749
EVANS David Carmarthen 11a 749
Jones Elizabeth Carmarthen 11a 749
Morgans Anne Carmarthen 11a 749





June x

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
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BOWEN John Carmarthen 11a 749
EVANS David Carmarthen 11a 749
Jones Elizabeth Carmarthen 11a 749
Morgans Anne Carmarthen 11a 749

If you'd clicked on the page number, you'd have seen all the names on the page..................

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
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DAVIES Benjamin Carmarthen 11a 730
Evans Roger Carmarthen 11a 730
WILLIAMS Eliza Carmarthen 11a 730
WILLIAMS Hannah Carmarthen 11a 730

Name: Elizabeth Jones
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Carmarthen
County: Carmarthenshire, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 749 (click to see others
Only John Bowen,and David Evans

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BENJAMIN DAVIS Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death: 1885

Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH LEWIS Family
Marriage: 1852 Caermarthenshire, , , Wales




Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.





June x

if they are on different pages then they arent a couple Marriages were then listed four couples to a page so should be 4 male & 4 female to each page .The next page would be for the next four couples.
Have you looked at the acual GRO page to check the entries

In this instance its two couples
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John Bowen 1852 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire
View Record
David Evans 1852 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire
View Record
Elizabeth Jones 1852 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire
View Record
Anne Morgans 1852 Carmarthen Carmarthenshire, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire


Name: Elizabeth Jones
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Carmarthen
County: Carmarthenshire, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 749


Benjamin is on page 730 not 750
Name: Benjamin Davies
Year of Registration: 1852
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Carmarthen
County: Carmarthenshire, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 730

Benjamin Davies
Roger Evans 1852
Eliza Williams 1852
Hannah Williams 1852