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I am searching for details of Ann Tubb, born c1831 in Isleworth, Middlesex. She married George Etherington in 1958 and her cert states her father as George but with no occupation. The 1861 census record is the only one I can find for her.
I have hit the proverbial wall and would be grateful for any info or help.
Thank you.

For ref.

Name: Ann Etherington
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Isleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Isleworth All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

George Etherington 29
Ann Etherington 30
Charles Etherington 8
Louisa Etherington 7
Emma Etherington 3
Anne Etherington 6 Mo

And I am doing no better than you,nowhere on 1871,nor the rest of the family,nowhere on 1851 or 1841 that I can see either.

Name: Ann Tubb
Spouse Name: George Etherington <<brewer
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Jan 1858
Parish: Holy Trinity
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hounslow
Father Name: George Tubb
Spouse Father Name: George Etherington <<labourer


No address ,no fathers occupation and witnesses are not related it seems.
Both say they are single,so did they marry after having some kids,or is one of them Lying?

Bigish gap between Louisa and Emma births..

Nothing,I find nothing,not even George before marrige with certainty.

And no corresponding births on Freebmd for Louisa and Charles Etherington in c1853/4

1871 England Census
Name: Emma Etherington
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Flamstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard
Town: Flamstead
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hemel Hempstead
Sub-registration district: Flamstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members: Name Age
George Wert 26
Mary Ann Wert 30
Emma Etherington 13




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1388; Folio: 46; Page: 16; GSU roll: 828473.

Thank you Vivienne and Choccy.

Emma Sarah (my g grandmother) is Ann and George's daughter but I can't find the others anywhere. The whole family, except for Emma, seems to have disappeared without trace.

They most certaily do seem to have vanished.
I dont see any Deaths in the right area to account for them,but ages werent available in early 60s unfortunately,but non in the Brentford reg area except for a George age 5 in 1866 who may be one of yours?

Hello youindoors! Viv has challenged me to take a look at your search here and I would like to ... but allow me to say as I just said in another thread ...

Hello one, hello all! I just got a PM ( from someone about that other thread) saying I haven't been around much. Too right. I took on a new contract in the fall when I thought me and one of my existing contracts, my main source of work and money, had had a parting of the ways and I had to make up the difference, which I did when another offer happened along at almost exactly that moment, charmed life me ... then the other minor clients I had went nuts with work ... then the one I thought I'd been divorced by came back with a vengeance ... and I haven't slept or bathed in a week ... or more ... and I am waaaay behind on some horrible jobs, and new ones keep arriving ... and of course my eye is still &%$# and I am supposed to find time in all this to put in 8 drops a day at four different times ...

So once again I am going to stick this here so that if I don't get a chance later tonight I'll have it in 'My threads' to come back to and show Viv how it's done ... evilgrin

So Ann Tubb was born in Isleworth which is in Brentford district.

Interestingly, her 1858 marriage (there's a screwup, her husband doesn't show on the list) is the first ever Tubb event in Brentford. Hm. No parental deaths, no sibling births or marriages ...

The censuses have no Tubb-s born in or living in Islesworth, except a child born in 1862 whose father was from Hampshire and an old unmarried man named Jno Tubbs born c1787, in the workhouse in 1861.

Can you tell us who the witnesses to the marriage were? You never know, there may be a connection that might be findable.

Well, I guess that's me about "that other thread".

Do what you can.

Margaret

So they marry in 1858 and in 1861 they have

Charles Etherington 8 - born Isleworth
Louisa Etherington 7 - born Isleworth

Whose kids were they? They weren't born in Isleworth under those names, or registered under those names, anyhow.



The pre-1861 situation is similar for George as Viv said. Another elderly soul, Sarah Etherington 1751 in Isleworth in 1841, no more. Aha, in 1851 there is a small scad though. Since the kids in the household of Charles (born Isleworth c 1820) and Elizabeth were born in Isleworth, he ought to be there in 1841. Ditto couple William and Sophia, born 1005/1801.

Well, William and Sophia are in Ealing in 1841, no son George. Charles's wife Elizabeth is from Reigate, and that's where he is in 1841, single. Getting nowhere.


We have two possible matched pairs of Charles and Sarah births

Births Sep 1852
Hunt Charles Brentford 3a 59
Births Jun 1854
HUNT Louisa Mary Brentford 3a 71
(born Q1 reg Q2?)

Births Mar 1853
Day Charles Brentford 3a 67
Births Dec 1854
Day Louisa Brentford 3a 55
(not a great match for 7 in 1861)

Births Dec 1852
Eden Charles Brentford 3a 63
Births Dec 1854
Eden Louisa Brentford 3a 55
(again not a great match)

Births Sep 1852
Mills Charles Herbert Brentford 3a 62
Births Dec 1854
Mills Louisa Elizabeth Brentford 3a 65
(and the third not great match)

and the best for last

4 possible Charles Smiths, one of whom is Charles George
Births Mar 1854
Smith Louisa Alice Brentford 3a 67


Of course, ours might not even have been born in Isleworth. Or George and Ann might have had one each ... but I think looking for those Charles-s and Louisas in 1861 might be an idea.

MM! I talked to you in the other thread! Didn't want to talk *about* you in this one!
That one's pages long and is going to take a little more brainpower. ;)

People, ignore communications between Me - Mad Meg, and Janey, I confused things. Sorry.l

IGI batch C042261 for Isleworth

24 Etherington births about 1813-1851, seeming rather complete, no George.

No Tubb births.

I kind of think that neither of them was actually born in Isleworth - birthplace of convenience on the census like.


IGI batch M042261 for Isleworth

5 Etherington marriages, 1831-1855.

One TubbS marriage, 1814.

Witness,s to marriage are..

Eione ?Coleman
and
James Fuller.
No help really as I said when I posted the marriage.

Not sure if any of this will help at all with the puzzle. Probably makes things worse !.

Information from a tree on Ancestry -

George Etherington. Born 1832, Headley, Hampshire.
Mary Ann Tubb. Born c1831, Isleworth, Middlesex.
Marriage -
Holy Trinity Church, Hounslow, Middlesex.
10th Jan 1858.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Children

Charles Etherington Born 1853 Isleworth, Middlesex.
Louisa Etherington Born 1854 Isleworth, Middlesex.
Emma Etherington Born 1858 Isleworth, Middlesex.
Ann Etherington Born 1860 Isleworth, Middlesex.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

1851 Census (On tree) for Mary Ann

Name: Mary Ann Tubb
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Brentford, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Glastonbury St John and St Benedict
Town: Glastonbury
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: High St.
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: Single.
Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Glastonbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7c
Household schedule number: 52

Elizabeth Lovatt 40 Head. Widow. Born Glastonbury, Somerset. Grocer ?.
Alternate name for this record Elizabeth Baker.
Lucy Lovatt 14 Daug. Born Glastonbury, Somerset
Sarah Baker 77 Mother. Widow. Worcestershire, England
Mary Ann Tubb 19 Niece. Grocers ? Assistant.
Rachael Davis 16 servant.

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1935; Folio: 228; Page: 14; GSU roll: 221094.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Same family 1841

Name: Mary Tubb
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Gender: Female
Civil parish: St Benedict and St John Glastonbury
Hundred: Glaston Twelve Hides
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address: High St.
Registration district: Wells
Sub-registration district: Glastonbury

Elizabeth Lovatt 30 Grocer ?. Of the Parish.
Lucy Lovatt 3 Of the Parish.
Mary Tubb 7 Not of the Parish.
Sarah Bond 15 Female Servant.

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 943; Book: 4;
Civil Parish: St Benedict and St John Glastonbury; County: Somerset;
Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 9; Page: 9; Line: 9; GSU roll: 474598.

Well hm, that kind of looks like someone has adopted random Ann Tubbs from the censuses. ;)

But one interesting thing. I mentioned the one Tubb birth in Isleworth, and I'd been having a think on the father.

1871

Name: Ada S Tubb
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Sarah S
Gender: Female
Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England

Name: Charles Tubb
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah S
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunmow, Hampshire, England
- obviously it can't be Dunmow but I don't know what it is. Anybody?

Civil parish: Lambeth

mother's from Wiltshire.


Oh okay, here he is in 1841

Name: Charles Tubb
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Dummer
County/Island: Hampshire


with no sister Ann. I'd just wondered whether there might be a common Hampshire wellspring ...

Well this is the George Etherington identifed in that tree


GEORGE ETHERINGTON
Christening: 27 MAY 1832 Headley, Hampshire, England
Father: GEORGE ETHERINGTON
Mother: HANNAH
Batch No.: C132702


Father's name matches, but there would have to be some other reason to adopt him!

This is that one in 1851


Name: George Etherington
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Headley, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Selborne
County/Island: Hampshire


and true, I'm not seeing him after that.

I think we can give the boot to that ridiculous tree.


1861
Name: Mary Ann Cribs Tubb
Birth: abt 1833 - Brentford, Middlesex, England
Residence: 1861 - St Marylebone, Middlesex, England

1881
Name: Mary Ann Tubb
Birth: abt 1832 - Brentford, Middlesex, England
Residence: 1881 - St Pancras, London, England
- assistant in ladies shoe warehouse Soho Bazarre, unmarried

1891
Name: Mary A Tubb
Birth: abt 1832 - Brentford, Middlesex, England
Residence: 1891 - London, Islington, London, England

I don't see her in 71.



Unless Ann left George and went back to her name, and her name was really Mary Ann ...


Worth investigating Netty, but some people should just have their trees chopped down and turned into firewood, and be burnt at the stake on them!