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I have been in contact with a few people who have the same Addison family in their trees as mine. They all have Helen Addison b1891 Liverpool...who went on to marry Edward Howard in 1912.

I can find the marriage details, but I cannot find Helen's birth or any record of her in census records

I have her parents and siblings in all relevant census (1891: RG12/2968 F95 P48 1901: RG13/3454 F31 P7 (7 Index Street) 1911: (80 Beaufort Road, Liverpool) )

Could someone please find Helen for me? I am loathe to put in my tree, but as I say a few others have her in their trees....what do people think?

Thanks in advance

Gail

Have you asked them where their evidence is for her ?

Yes Lindsey.... am awaiting replies
(1 person put in tree because the other 2 had her)

Gail

oh dear, not a good idea, I guess that leaves you to get the cert ? !

have you got the marriage cert?

Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
Addison Helen Howard W. Derby 8b 798
Howard Edward T Addis[eo]n W. Derby 8b 798

what about this one

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
Addison Elizabeth Ellen W. Derby 8b 361

Ellen-->Helen???

If I could find the birth then yes I could get a certificate Lyndsey...thanks

Thanks Victoria, I had the marriage details

Gail

ok if you have the marriage cert, what is her father's name on it?

Sorry Victoria, I had the marriage details but not the certificate

The father of the other siblings is Pearson Addison, however there are 2 Pearson's born in the area with near birth dates, so I guess marriage cert would still not let us know for certain

I am also unable to locte her on census, yet have the other siblings!

Thanks for your help

Gail

the certificate should have father's occupation on as well, so unless both Pearson Addison's had the same occupation you should be able to match up with census

it should also give address
the witnesses might give a clue as well

Good thinking!! He was a railway porter in 1891, 1901 and died in 1908...so certificate may say deceased railway porter?

Is still strange that I cannot find birth for Helen or no records of her on any census though.

in 1901 Ernest G Addison was a patient in hospital
Florence sent to Canada in 1908
this would imply that Helen was living with another family or relative
her first child was Ernest G Howard (maybe named after her brother)

Florence ADDISON
Date of departure: 14 May 1908
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Quebec, Canada
Passenger destination: Quebec, Canada
Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Children
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 21

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Official Number:
Master's name:
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Where bound:
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Thanks Victoria....appreciate your time

nudging up to see if anyone can locate birth or census info (cheeky I know!)

Am still loathe to put in my tree as yet

Thanks

You need to obtain Helen's marriage cert. See what age she is and work backwards from there.

Possible ?

Births Jun 1889

Addison Ellen - W. Derby 8b 336

Could it be that Pearson Addison married twice ?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885

ADDISON Pearson G --JONES Mary
Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool



Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1897

ADDISON Pearson G - ASHTON Elizabeth A
Bootle, St John South Sefton

Hi Michael

yes Pearson did marry twice
I have the details of him and both wives and other children

My sticking point is whether Helen is a daughter (which other people have in their tree). I cannot see a birth or a record of Helen in any census, so I don't know if she is in fact a daughter

To add to the confusion, there were more than 1 Pearson born about the time, so Helen's marriage cert details would still not ensure that she in fact a duaghter of 'my' Pearson

If I could locate on a census it may make things clearer

I live in hope!!!

Thanks again

Gail

If she was Elizabeth's daughter then her name at birth could have been Ashton.

Does Elizabeth and Pearson's marriage cert say that she was a widow ?

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
ADDISON Pearson George Liverpool 8b 177

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
ADDISON Pearson Liverpool 8b 31

Deaths Mar 1864 (>99%)
ADDISON Pearson Liverpool 8b 15

This is probably the deaath of the second Pearson at age 6
Deaths Jun 1873 (>99%)
Addison Pearson 6 West Derby 8b 235

probaly son of Pearson G and Mary
Deaths Sep 1887 (>99%)
Addison Pearson George 0 W. Derby 8b 299

Thanks Michael and Victoria.....appreciate your time

I think I will give up on this and not add her to my tree....particularly as not in any census to link her to the family

Thanks again

Gail