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Looks as though the Grenadier Guards is the other possibility then Ozi - thanks for the info.

I think you could be right about the Scots, Annie.

The Trent Affair is fascinating reading. I'd never heard of it before but I guess the Canadians have.

11,500 troops were sent to Canada during the American Civil War to guard the Canadian border. The Trent Affair was when a British steamer was boarded and Confederate passengers were seized by the Union.



From the Rootsweb page "British Regiments in Canada".

Canada (present-day Ontario and Quebec) was reinforced by three battalions of infantry and a battery of field artillery during the summer of 1861. A long-standing goal of some Northern U.S. politicians was to add Canada to the Union. Thus there was a real concern that the Union Forces would move north after their anticipated quick victory over the Confederate States.


The Grenadier Guards (1st)
The 1st Battalion was sent to Canada at the time of the "Trent" difficulty, and remained three years. [It doesn't say where they were garrisoned.]

The Coldstream Guards (2nd)
The 2nd Battalion was in Canada 1838-42. [which rules them out.]

The Scots Fusilier Guards (3rd) (later The Scots Guards)
1862-64 Quebec
The 2nd Battalion was sent to Canada in 1861, returning to England in 1864.



Then there's all the Regiments of Foot, many of which were in Canada at the time.


Ozi

Ozi

The article you quote from Wikipedia actually says that there were 6 Foot Guards Regiments. Welsh, Irish and Machine Gun Guards can be discounted,due to the date, so there are 3 possibilities. Coldstreams weren't in Canada and I don't believe Grenadier Guards were either, so that leave the Scots.

The Coldstream Guards are the ones known as Her Majesty's Foot Guards.

from Wikipedia
The Foot Guards are the Infantry regiments of the Household Division of the British Army. There have been six regiments of foot guards, five of which still exist. The Machine Gun Guards, which was formed during the First World War, was disbanded in 1920:
Grenadier Guards
Coldstream Guards
Scots Guards
Irish Guards
Welsh Guards
Guards Machine Gun Regiment ("Machine Gun Guards")

When you Google Her Majesty's Guards it is the Coldstream Guards that turn up. Although I don't think they were in Canada.


There is a difference between Foot Guards and Regiments of Foot.


Ozi

Have you looked on FindmyPast to see if there's an Army record for him? If not, then it would have to be a search of Muster Rolls for the Scots Guards at the National Archives to see if he is listed with them(assuming the Muster Rolls have survived)

how could I check that

He MAY have been in the Scots Guards who were in Montreal for 3 years from 1861.

Thanks Evelyn - they weren't very helpful then, were they?!

If he got an Army pension there are ways of tracking down his regiment (a bit complicated!)and from there you could trace his movements including when he arrived in Canada.

No number It says he was a corporal in Her Majestie's foot guard

It says he was a corporal in Her Majestie's foot guards

Have a look on FMP to see if his Army discharge papers are on there. If not, you have to know which Regiment he was in to establish from other Army Records when he was sent to Canada. Does the marraige record only say Foot Guards or is there a number before the word Foot which would indicate his regiment?

yes it is his picture on my tree in Ancestry

This definately would be the right age to be our Robert's father but no son in the 41 census or 51 census and he was supposed to be born in 1836-39. He died in1904

We know he was with her Majestie's forces when he was at the military prison in Montreal but still can't find where he came to Quebec

There a\re no parents listed in the obit or on his marriage cert to Jane Teakle in Quebec(my great grandmother We have proof that he was married to a Catherine McKinnon before that but cannot find where he came to Canada We know he was in Her Majesty's forces but still cannot find where he came to Canada

The first record we have of him is his marriage to Catherine McKinnon in Montreal QuebecHis obit reads that he was born in Middlesex St Olave and there is no parents named anywhere

Previous marriage?

Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967
about Robert Forward
Name: Robert Forward
Spouse: Catherine Mckinnon
Event Year: 1863
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Methodist
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Methodist Mountain Street)
Province: Québec

Original says he's a corporal in Her Majesty's Foot Guards stationed in Montreal.

He is a Widow on this one

Name: Robert Forward
Spouse: Jane Teakle
Event Year: 1877
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Anglican
Place of Worship or Institution: Québec (Anglican) (Québec (Saint Peter))
Province: Québec (Quebec)

Is that your tree on Ancestry that has his photo?

Now this is interesting, a relative?

1841 England Census
Name: Robt Forwood
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil parish: St Olave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Hundred: Southwark
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 14 Melior St

Occupation: Tailor

Registration district: St Olaves
Sub-registration district: St Olave and St Thomas
Household Members: Name Age
Robt Forwood 35
Harriet Forwood 30
Harriet Forwood 6 MO



1851 England Census
Name: Robert Forwood
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Harriet Forwood
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 4 Upper Grange

Occupation: Tailer

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Forwood 45
Harriet Forwood 41 - Southwark
John Kenchliff 19 - son; Gold Beaters apprentice; Bermondsey
Henry Berry 36 - visitor


Marriages Jun 1839
BLACKBORN Jane Lambeth 4 232
BURKE Hannah Lambeth 4 232
FAULKNER Robert Lambeth 4 232
FORWOOD Robert Lambeth 4 232 <<<<<<
HAMP Joseph Lambeth 4 232
HINCHCLIFF Harriet Lambeth 4 232 <<<<<<
SEXTON Mary Lambeth 4 232
SLARK Edward Lambeth 4 232
SMITH Ann Lambeth 4 232

Relative???
Deaths Dec 1859
Forwood Robert St Olave 1d 57

Harriet is a widow in 1861.