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Hello my ggggreat grandmother was Ann Worthington, she was born in 1814 I believe and on the Census records it states that her birth place was Bulley, Herefordshire, England. I was just wondering if this was a real place as I can't find a bulley in Herefordshire online and if this is a real place either in Herefordshire or somewhere else where would be the best place to start looking for a baptism record?
Kind Regards
Martin

Who did she marry ? and which census have you found her on?

jax

Hi Jax she married James Shufflebottom I do not know when. I found her on the 1851 england census. James was born in 1808 in Hanley, Staffordshire, England.
Kind Regards
Martin

1861 just says Herefordshire

1871

Name: Ann Shufflebotham
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Shufflebotham
Gender: Female
Where born: Kington, Herefordshire, England >>>>This is a real place
Civil Parish: Hanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Wellington
Town: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 348
Household Members: Name Age
James Shufflebotham 63
Ann Shufflebotham 56
George Shufflebotham 19

where do you think I should start searching for a baptism record?

Is this them in 1841?

1841 Census

Name: James Shufflebotton
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Hundred: North Pirehill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Hanley

James Shufflebotton 30 Potter
Andrew Shufflebotton 5
Henry Shufflebotton 3
Ann Shufflebotton 30 b.ca 1811, not born in county
Deborah Shufflebotton 9 MO

Address:- Joiner's Lane


Martin ... another note for you. Ages in the 1841 census for all persons over the age of 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5. Occasionally you will find records where this has not been done.

In addition, the 1841 Census did not give relationships between people living in the same house, and only told you if they were born In County (y for yes) or Not in County (n for no), I means Ireland, S = Scotland, and F = Foreign.



sylvia

Here's the 1851 from ancestry ... with Ann's birthplace as Bulley


1851 Census

Name: Ann Shufflebotham
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Shufflebotham
Gender: Female
Where born: Bulley, Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Hope
Town: Hanley and Shelton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Shelton

James Shufflebotham 43 b.ca 1808, Hanley, China Painter
Ann Shufflebotham 37 Formerly Servent
Andrew Shufflebotham 15 b.ca 1836, St Martins, Worcestershire, Carter
Henery Shufflebotham 13 b.ca 1838, St Martins, Potter's Figure Maker
James Shufflebotham 8 b.ca 1843, St Martins
David Shufflebotham 4 b.ca 1847, Hanley
Martin Shufflebottom 1 b.ca 1850, Hanley
Mary Mills 14 Servant



now I'm wondering if that 1841 Census I found was the correct one!




sylvia

Martin


I have to ask


How do you know that Ann Worthington married James Shufflebottom?


I can find no trace of such a marriage.

Have you got the birth certificate for one of the children giving this information?



sylvia

Just thought I would throw in the 1861 census

Name: Ann Shufflebotham
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Shufflebotham
Gender: Female
Where born: Herefordshire, England

Civil Parish: Shelton
Ecclesiastical parish: Hope
Town: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Shelton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
James Shufflebotham 53
Ann Shufflebotham 46
James Shufflebotham 18
Martin Shufflebotham 11
George Shufflebotham 8

I'm thinking that Andrew and Henery were James' children by a first marriage .... they were both born in Worcester

Then he married Ann ................. but I wonder if that was Ann Worthington or another Ann

You see ............. on the 1841 there is James, followed by Andrew and Henry, then comes Ann and Deborah

The usual way of putting the names down by the census enumerator was
head of house
wife
children in order of age


It didn't always happen .......... but to find one person out of order, is often suspicious.


Then he says on the 1851 census that Ann was "formerly servent" ....... very strange!


sylvia

I've looked for Bulley


it does show up on the free place search on www.britishorigins.com/


but I no longer have a subscription to view where it says it is!


Bulley shows up

but not Bulley, Herefordshire


so I wonder if the county is wrong




sylvia

Morning Martin
It is much better if you stick to one thread about the same family ,then all your information is together
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1248110

It also gives us a better view of what has been searched already

I know there is another thread, but re. this query - I see Kington is mentioned - area could maybe be Brilley? I think this is the most likely thing really as she is consistent about her birthplace.
Jan

Found this on Gen Uki

"BULLEY, a parish in the duchy of Lancaster, in the county of Gloucester, 4 miles to the W. of Gloucester. Newent is its post town. It is not far from the South Wales railway. The living is a perpetual curacy annexed to the vicarage of Churcham, in the diocese of Gloucester and Bristol. The church is small and partly in the Norman style."

this site will has information on the Bulley Parish records
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/DServe/DServe.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Index.tcl

Then why did she put Kington which is 45 miles away? See post above for suggestion.
Jan

Hi everyone thanks for looking I am positive that James did marry an Ann Worthington as I have my gggreat grandads birth certificate on there it states that james is his father and Ann Worthington is his mother. The 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census you have found are definitely them. My gggreat grandfather was definitely born in shelton, staffordshire. My gggreat grandfather was George Martyn Shufflebottom he is the Martin on the census records why I don't know but it must be him as there is no other George Martin in the census's I will upload the birth certificate for you to look at.
Kind Regards
Martin

Could it be Butley?

Maryb

I think it is definitely Bulley as you can see the letters easily on census but i can't understand why she put down kington aswell. Could it be Kingston, is that nearer to bulley than kington?

On the 1841 census there are a few Worthingtons living in Kington, Herefordshire.

There is a place called Bullock Mill just outside Kington - perhaps that was known locally as "Bulley"

sometimes the question was misunderstood

If someone was asked "where are you from?" ................... they could answer it as "where were you born?" or "where have you moved from?" or "where did you last live?"


sooooo

is it possible that she had been living in Kington?





sylvia