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Hi everyone, I have recently purchased my great aunts birth certificate and on reciept have found that my great aunts fathers name is crossed out. I know that my aunt was born out of wedlock and that my great grandmother gave her to her older sister to bring up but can't make out why the fathers name is crossed through, any ideas? There is also a number next to it (18), does this mean that the birth was re-recorded? I f anyone has any experience of this or can advise on what any of this means, I would be extremely grateful.
Many Thanks,
Chevaun.

Was her mother married at the time? If so, is her husband down as the father? If this is the case, the husband may have asked to have his name removed from the register. The 18 would probably be the number in the records that the registrar kept of changes to original records. The Register office where the birth was recorded might be able to help.

If the father's name is not the husband, then unless the father attended at the registration, his name would not be able to be entered in the register.

The birth would not have been re-recorded in either circumstance - a birth can only have one entry.

Once info is put down on a cert if its wrong unfortunately it can't be ripped up and another issue

so i think but i could be wrong....that the name was crossed out cos like you say she was illegitimate & the 18 is a ref that has gone into a book explaining why it was crossed out
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I remember reading once about a lady whose son was registered as a girl & all that could be done about it was it was noted in a book with the number of the cert

Thanks both for your responses.
My great grandmother was not married to the father of my great aunt at any point, she later went on to marry my great grandfather (a different person) and have three further children including my grandfather. I knew she was illegitimate and was curious to know whether her natural father was named on the certificate hence the purchase of this document.
I'm really puzzled so I suppose I will have to contact the register office and see if they can help.with what any of this means, if in the meantime anyone has anything further to add I would be most grateful.
Thanks a lot,
Chevaun.

Maybe when the birth was registered the father was named but as he didnt attend the registration or officailly acknowledge paternity then he cant be named on the cert so it was crossed out

Good point Shirley, I was thinking something similar myself but wouldn't the fathers absence at the time been evident to the Registrar and basically the information not allowed, there and then? Or did this kind of rule only come into force at a later date?

Every reason to think that the eagle eyed registrar may have noticed the "father" was not present after he had entered the name.

Can you make out the name?

Annx

Sorry Shirley...........had not realised you had posted!

Chevaun...........well you would have to be a fly on the wall to work that one out!! lol

Maybe they were trying to pull the wool over the registrars eyes and it backfired!

I am thinking if they did do that, then chances are they told the vicar and he may have entered something in the baptism record. What year was the birth?

My great great grandfather had the surname Mitchell and my G G Grandmother had the maiden name of Jupp. They had a daughter Ann before they were married and I have her marriage certificate where she is named as Ann Mitchell Jupp. G G grandfather is named as her father and then his name is crossed through so possibly she is not his daughter. Ann was born before official registration so I can't get her birth certificate but I do have the parish records from the church she was baptised in where it states that she was base born.

Up until now I had thought that she was still my grand fathers child now after reading this post I'm not so sure

Wendy x

Wendy,

Base born means just that, born out of wedlock.........so the mother may have married the father eventually.............however your big clue is her marriage cert........cant see any other reason why he would be crossed out.

My Nan was illegitimate, her mother married the following year and had 4 more children quite quickly............my nan was left with her grandparents. Her marriage cert to my grandad names her grandfather as father...simply because he brought her up and she was not aknowledged by her mothers husband.............however she did have a lot to do with her half siblings until the day she died.

Ann

My great aunt had an illegitimate child. The birth was registered by a man - who lived at the address she lived at. (I think she worked there as she is described as a servant.) Anyhow, the registrar had begun to write the chap's name in the "name of father" box before, presumably, realising his mistake, crossing out the name and re-writing it in the informant box. I don't for a minute think he was the father of the child ...

Jill

How interesting all of this is... Thanks very much for your replies.
Ann, I can just make out the name, Sidney Bunton...
Can anyone tell me how I would check Baptism records, I'm thinking that perhaps I will find some clue there?
Jill, the informant on my great aunts birth certificate is her mother so i don't think that is what has happened in this case, although maybe this Sidney attended with her? Although I think this is probably a long shot...
Chevaun.

If you look on a birth cert the fathers name comes first so the scenario could be the registrar asked "Fathers name?"and was given the name ,then he asked "Mothers name ?" and when he realised the mother was a single woman and no father was in attendance he crossed through the fathers name as its not allowed to be given unless the father aknowledges paternity.

When & where was your Aunt born?

Annx

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First name(s): Sidney (including variants)
Last name: Bunton

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BUNTON Sidney Camberwell London 1885 Oct-Nov-Dec VIEW
BUNTON Sidney Robert Edmonton Middlesex 1910 Jan-Feb-Mar VIEW
BUNTON Sidney B Lambeth London 1911 Jan-Feb-Mar VIEW
BUNTON Sidney G West Ham Essex 1916 Jul-Aug-Sep VIEW
BUNTON Sidney R Nottingham Nottinghamshire 1923 Jul-Aug-Sep VIEW
BUNTON Sidney A Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire 1928 Apr-May-Jun VIEW
BUNTON Female (unnamed) Guiltcross Norfolk 1838 Jul-Aug-Sep VIEW
BUNTON Female (unnamed) Lexden Essex 1849 Jul-Aug-Sep VIEW
BUNTON Male (unnamed) Saffron Walden Essex 1850 Oct-Nov-Dec VIEW
BUNTON Male (unnamed) Saffron Walden Essex 1852 Jan-Feb-Mar VIEW
BUNTON Male (unnamed) Risbridge Suffolk 1865 Apr-May-Jun VIEW
BUNTON Female (unnamed) Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland 1878 Jul-Aug-Sep VIEW
BUNTON Male (unnamed) Edmonton Middlesex 1879 Jan-Feb-Mar VIEW
BUNTON Male (unnamed) Wandsworth London 1978 Jan-Feb-Mar VIEW

Firstly try the local records office in the area her birth was registered, they have all parish records.

However if you are able to give her name and birth year there are people on here with many resources that may be able to help you locate her.

Annx

Sidney Bunton Marriages


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BUNTON Sidney Greenwich London 1905 Apr-May-Jun VIEW
BUNTON Sidney R Nottingham Nottinghamshire 1919 Oct-Nov-Dec VIEW
BUNTON Sidney B Lambeth London 1934 Jul-Aug-Sep VIEW
BUNTON Sidney G East Ham Essex 1936 Apr-May-Jun VIEW
BUNTON Sidney A Scunthorpe Lincolnshire 1953 Jul-Aug-Sep VIEW


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Thanks Ann, all info is very helpful.
I was hoping to find a Sidney with a Kensington connection though as this is where my great aunt (Kathleen Clements) was born in 1925.
I order my certificates through the GRO website but maybe I will have to attend the office in person?
Thanks again,
Chevaun.

Yes usually.........you need the local record office........totally different to the GRO...........You can book a day there if you are not too far away. Also depending on how busy the office is and whether they would accomodate you..........telephone and ask if the could do you a look up in the area needed.

Having said that I did not realise the record was recent, and I think the Vicars may have had a rethink on the father naming by then!

Annx

Who was Kathleens mother?