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1861 census 31 Reginald rd St pauls Deptford Greenwich Kent
James Murray 38 Iron moulder born Aberdeen Scotland
Rachel murray 29 Charlestown Scotland
James Murray 8 london Middlesex
William 5 born kent london
agnes 2 kent
isabella henderson sister 40 married born huntly scotland
robert murray 17 or 19 brother (bad writing ) born aberdeen

cant find family on 1851 1871 census but 1881 census 32 union street Lamberth

James murray 57 iron worker aberdeen
rachel murray 48 born Dumfernline
robert 13 scholar born lamberth
Florence mary 9 scholar lamberth

William aged 5 on 1861 ( if correct one ) states on his shipping record he was born Aberdeen
william marriage to Lydia Lavender states father James
william had a son gilbert henderson Murray

am looking for marriage James and Rachel
birth for all of them and any other information to show I have the right William Murray
Lydia lavander's family was at 25 south street Lamberth for 1881 census

I had a tentative family for william as JamesMurray and Rachel Gray with Rachel born 1831 Lime Kilns but that is tentative

so sorry having computer trouble - everytime i hit tab it posts - can you wait a few minutes till i get all the info in thank you

for reference

1861

MURRAY, James Head Married M 38 1823 Iron Moulder
Aberdeen
Scotland VIEW
MURRAY, Rachel Wife Married F 39 1822
Charlestown
Scotland VIEW
MURRAY, James Son M 8 1853
London
Middlesex VIEW
MURRAY, William Son M 5 1856
Kent VIEW
MURRAY, Agnes Daughter F 2 1859
Kent VIEW
HINDERSON, Isabella Sister Married F 40 1821
Huntty
Scotland VIEW
MURRAY, Robert Brother Unmarried M 17 1844 Seaman
Aberdeen
Scotland VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
396 Folio:
9 Page:
19

Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
1 St Paul Deptford Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Pauls

Civil Parish:
St Pauls Municipal Borough:
Address:
31, Reginald Road, St Pauls, Deptford County:
London, Kent

For ref.

1861 England Census
about James Murray Name: James Murray
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Murray
Mother's name: Rachel Murray
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Deptford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 116
Household Members: Name Age
James Murray 38
Rachel Murray 29
James Murray 8
William Murray 5
Agnes Murray 2
Isabella Handerson 40
Robert Murray 17

oh well if you read it as Rachel 39 then I am way off with ideas for parents

Here is 1871

1871 England Census
about James Murray
Name: James Murray
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Rachael Murray
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 255
Household Members: Name Age
James Murray 45
Rachael Murray 58 (38 on image)
James Murray 13 (18 on image)
Eliza Murray 22
Agnes Murray 12
Gilbert Murray 10
Margaret Murray 6
Mary Murray 4
Robert Murray 2


Andy

then also charles town is a long way from dumfernline

Thank you for her assisitance - there is another chalestown near Limekilns
Andy - 38 must be right - 58 is usually a bit old to have a 2 year old and 4 year old - would you agree?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Murray Name: William Murray
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Spouse Name: Lydia Lavender
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Aug 1883
Parish: St Nicholas, Deptford
County: Kent
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: James Murray Brass Moulder
Spouse Father Name: James Lavender Engineer

William's address 10, Sarah Place, Cuck Rd and he is a Seaman

Lydia's address The Lane/ Lame

Yes, 58 far to old for kids!

To get Rachel maiden name, you may need one of the childrens birth certs. This MIGHT be Gilbert

Births Sep 1861 (>99%)
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MURRAY Gilbert Henderson Greenwich 1d 575


Andy

thanks andy will do that
Mel you just solved a huge problem
Lydia came to australia on the Sydeham 1883 - saying she was single and a nurse and so we had been searching for their marriage in Australia and not England - as we could not find it we thought they must have never been married
William came as crew on the Luisitania a couple of years later
Gilbert henderson Murray ( William's brother came out a few years later again and they all lived mingbil Uki are New south Wales

1851 Scotland Census
about James Murray Name: James Murray
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdeenshire
Parish Number: 455
Civil Parish: Saline
Town: Oakley
County: Fife
Address: S Oakley
Occupation: Iron Moulder
ED: 4
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 19
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1851_94
Household Members: Name Age
John Gray 41
Margret Gray 40
Rachel Gray 19
Hellen Gray 17
Agness Gray 12
John Gray 6
Christina Gray 4
Alexander Mckiney 20
James Murray 27

mel you definitely are a fairy godmother - wae your magic wand and there is info i have been searchinh years for THANK YOU ALL

1841 Scotland Census
about James Murray Name: James Murray
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Where born: Aberdeenshire, Scotland

Civil Parish: Old Machar
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Tilly Drone
Occupation: Iron Moulder Ap
Parish Number: 168B
Household Members: Name Age
James Murray 45
Margt Murray 40
Isabel Murray 20
James Murray 17
Mary Murray 14
Alexr Murray 12
Willm Murray 10
John Murray 8
Geo Murray 6
Janet Murray 3
Ann Murray 1

Your Welcome! I enjoyed the chase...................................

do you think this could be the family of james murray married elizabth robertson 1820 huntly

Not sure now as there are three James Murray's and Margaret Robertson/Milne/Duncan.

Can't seem to find a marriage. I am looking on Familysearch.org which is free to search and on the IGI index.

Just a thought!! Isabel Henderson sister on the 1861 census and then Gilbert Henderson Murray??????

Will put it back on here.

ISOBELA MURRAY Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 19 FEB 1821 Huntly, Aberdeen, Scotland

Parents:
Father: JAMES MURRAY Family
Mother: MARGT. ROBERTSON

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

yes i had that thought too but could not take it any further. Gilberts wife died about ten years ago aged 105 and quite alert but could not tell us too much about the murray family except some awesome stories of their life in Australia. Have pages of her stories. The australian Boys visisted Lanander and Murray relations when they went to WW1 but somehow they lost touch after that. The Lavanders had come from Frome district